Boundary condition for a flow past a spherical obstacle

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The discussion revolves around determining the boundary condition for a potential function related to fluid flow past a spherical obstacle, specifically at large distances from the obstacle in spherical coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the derivation of the boundary condition ##\Phi(r,\theta, \phi) = - V r \cos \theta## and question the vanishing of certain terms in the equations. There are inquiries about the pattern of fluid flow before and after the obstacle is introduced, as well as the components of velocity in both Cartesian and spherical coordinates.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the mathematical derivation and the assumptions made regarding the flow and potential function. Some have provided insights into the relationship between the potential and the velocity components, while others express confusion about the signs and components involved in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the transition from Cartesian to spherical coordinates, with participants noting the complexities introduced by the varying basis vectors in spherical coordinates. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding the background flow direction in relation to the spherical object.

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Homework Statement
Consider the steady flow pattern produced when an impenetrable rigid spherical obstacle is placed in a uniformly flowing, incompressible, inviscid fluid.
Relevant Equations
##r(r,\theta, \phi) = V \hat{z} , r \to\infty##
##\vec{v} = - \nabla \Phi##
I'm trying to find how the author finds the boundary condition at ##r\to\infty## is ## \Phi(r,\theta, \phi) = - V r cos \theta##.

Using the spherical coordinates.

##- V \hat{z} = \nabla \Phi##

##- V ( cos \theta \hat{r} - sin \theta \hat{\theta}) = \frac{d \Phi}{dr}\hat{r} + 1/r \frac{d \Phi}{d \theta} \hat{\theta} + \frac{1}{r sin \theta} \frac{d \Phi}{ d \phi} \hat{\phi} ##

I'm not sure to understand why most of the terms vanishes.
 
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happyparticle said:
I'm trying to find how the author finds the boundary condition at ##r\to\infty## is ## \Phi(r,\theta, \phi) = - V r cos \theta##.
What is the pattern of a uniformly flowing, incompressible, inviscid fluid before the obstacle is inserted into the flow? That's the same pattern the flow must approach at long distances (##r\rightarrow\infty##) after insertion of the object.
 
renormalize said:
What is the pattern of a uniformly flowing, incompressible, inviscid fluid before the obstacle is inserted into the flow? That's the same pattern the flow must approach at long distances (##r\rightarrow\infty##) after insertion of the object.
I understand that part. However is more the mathematical part that I don't really understand. Where ##\Phi(r,\theta, \phi) = - V r cos \theta## come from.
 
What are the velocity components far from the sphere?
 
happyparticle said:
I understand that part. However is more the mathematical part that I don't really understand. Where ##\Phi(r,\theta, \phi) = - V r cos \theta## come from.

The background velocity is V\mathbf{e}_z.

The calculation is <br /> \Phi = -\int \mathbf{v} \cdot d\mathbf{x}. You can either do in cartesians, which is straightforward, or you can do in spherical polars; this however is much trickier, since the polar basis vectors are not constant, but vary with position, so that you cannot integrate component by component as you can with cartesians.
 
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I think I'm even more confuse.

Using cartesians coordinates I have:

##-\vec{v} = \frac{d \Phi}{dx}\hat{x} + \frac{d \Phi}{dy}\hat{y} + \frac{d \Phi}{dz}\hat{z}##

##-V \hat{z} = \frac{d \Phi}{dx}\hat{x} + \frac{d \Phi}{dy}\hat{y} + \frac{d \Phi}{dz}\hat{z}##

It seems like you kept only the ##\hat{x}## component. Why?
Also, to have ##z = r cos \theta##, I must use polar coordinates.
 
What are the components of the far-field velocity in spherical coordinates?
 
Chestermiller said:
What are the components of the far-field velocity in spherical coordinates?
##V (cos \theta \hat{r} - sin \theta \hat{\theta})##
 
happyparticle said:
##V (cos \theta \hat{r} - sin \theta \hat{\theta})##
So, at large r, $$\frac{\partial\Phi}{\partial r}=V\cos{\theta}$$ and $$\frac{\partial \Phi}{\partial \theta}=-Vr\sin{\theta}$$
 
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It seems like there is a issue with the sign. Is there an error on the page linked above?
 
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happyparticle said:
It seems like there is a issue with the sign. Is there an error on the page linked above?
Oops. I assumed that v was equal to the gradient of phi rather than minus the gradient of phi. So just flip the signs in my previous post.
 
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happyparticle said:
It seems like you kept only the ##\hat{x}## component. Why?

The spherical object has no preferred axes, but the background flow does have one: the direction of the flow. In spherical polar coodinates, that direction is usually aligned with the \theta = 0 ray, which is the positive z axis.

We are only interested in the gradient of the potential, so we can take the constant of integration to be zero.
 
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Thank you!
 

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