Boundary conditions of 2 conductors

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The discussion revolves around solving the Laplace equation for two conductors with a specified angle between them, both held at zero potential. The problem involves determining the boundary conditions from a provided diagram and applying them to find the potential function in polar coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the separation of variables in polar coordinates and the resulting ordinary differential equations. Questions arise regarding the sufficiency of the boundary conditions identified from the diagram, particularly concerning the constants in the solution. There is also exploration of the behavior of the potential as the radius approaches infinity and near the origin.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the implications of boundary conditions on the constants in the solution. There is ongoing exploration of additional conditions that may be necessary, particularly as they relate to the behavior of the potential at different limits. The discussion remains open with various interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential behavior of the solution at infinity and near the origin, questioning whether the potential must vanish in these regions. There is also mention of a reference example that may provide further context or insight into the problem.

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Homework Statement



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Ignore the text in German. You just need to see the picture. 2 conductors both with potential 0 are given. [itex]\alpha[/itex] is the angle between the conductors. (r, [itex]\varphi[/itex]) are polar coordinates pointing to a point in the plane.

Homework Equations



What we need to do is solve the Laplace equation:

Δ[itex]\phi[/itex] = 0

for the boundary conditions which are implied by the picture.

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt at a solution was to separate the variables in polar coordinates:

[itex]\phi(r, \varphi) = R(r)\Psi(\varphi)[/itex]

I think I did this correctly. It gives me the 2 ODEs:

[itex]R(r) = c_1 e^{k \cdot ln(r)} + c_2 e^{-k \cdot ln(r)}[/itex]

[itex]\Psi(\varphi) = c_3 sin(k \varphi) + c_4 cos(k \varphi)[/itex]



Now my problem is that I can only see 2 boundary conditions in the above picture:

[itex]\phi(r, 0) = 0[/itex] and [itex]\phi(r, \alpha) = 0[/itex]

But this only gives me the constants [itex]c_4[/itex] and k. How do I get the other constants? Are there any more boundary conditions which I'm blind to see?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Should the potential blow up as ##r\rightarrow \infty##? What does this tell you about ##c_1##?

Sweeping out ##\varphi## takes you from one conducting plate to the other and both plates are grounded. What does that tell you about ##c_4##?
 
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I already did your second question. It tells me [itex]c_4[/itex] = 0.

The first one I didn't see however. The potential should disappear of course in infinity. This tells me [itex]c_1 = 0[/itex].

This would still leave me with 2 unknown constants however. [itex]c_2[/itex] and [itex]c_3[/itex]

What about r → 0? Can I say that the potential has to disappear there as well? Probably not otherwise the entire R(r) term would be 0.

Hmmm ...
 
The next question would be to approximate the potential for small r. So from that question alone I'd say that it should depend on r? lol
 
I found out that another constant can be determined by the equation Δ [itex](R(r) \Psi(\varphi)) = 0[/itex] itself. It gives [itex]c_3 = -1[/itex].

One constant remains though. So now I have:

[itex]\Phi(r, \varphi) = -C e^{-\frac{n \pi}{\alpha} \cdot ln(r)} sin(\frac{n \pi}{\alpha} \varphi)[/itex]

Oh well ... Close enough I guess. :redface:

Could you help me with the approximation for little r? I guess it's supposed to be a Taylor Series approximation but if I want to develop around [itex]x_0[/itex] = 0 for the very first summand [itex]f(x_0)[/itex] doesn't compute because of ln(0) ...
 

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