Boundary conditions don't apply in the equation's region of validity

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The problem involves a tight string along the positive x-axis, with a boundary condition at x = 0 that relates the displacement and its derivative. The original poster seeks to express the displacement as a sum of incident and reflected waves and compute the reflection coefficient.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the boundary condition being applied at x=0, questioning the validity of the governing equation in that region. Some suggest assuming the equation holds at x=0 to derive results, while others express uncertainty about the correctness of their reasoning and calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts to manipulate the equations and expressing doubts about specific steps. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of the boundary condition, but there is no clear consensus on the correctness of the derived expressions.

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Participants note that the derivative at x=0 may not be defined, raising questions about the continuity of the string and the assumptions made regarding the behavior of the waves at the boundary.

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Homework Statement


A tight string lies along the positive x-axis when unperturbed. Its displacement from the x-axis is denoted by [itex]y(x, t)[/itex]. It is attached to a boundary at [itex]x = 0[/itex]. The condition at the boundary is
[tex]y+\alpha \frac{\partial y}{\partial x} =0[/tex] where [itex]\alpha[/itex] is a constant.

Write the displacement as the sum of an incident wave and reflected wave,
[tex]y(x, t) = e^{−ikx−i\omega t} + re^{ikx−i\omega t},\qquad x > 0,[/tex] and compute the reflection coefficient, [itex]r[/itex]. Writing [itex]r = |r|e^{i\phi}[/itex], show that [itex]|r| = 1[/itex] and find [itex]\phi[/itex].

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Since the boundary condition applies at [itex]x=0[/itex] and the equation given is only valid for [itex]x>0[/itex] I can't use that, so what equation should I use?


(If you just apply the condition that the incident and reflected wave are equal at [itex]x=0[/itex], since there is no transmission, you get what I believe is the desired result, but how would one go about this problem with the method it wants)
 
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The equation is only given for x > 0 because the derivative is not defined at x= 0. If we take the derivative at 0 as meaning the one sided derivative then the equation must also be valid at 0; if not there would be a discontinuity in the string. Just take it as valid at x = 0 and see where it leads.
 
Am I doing this correctly.

Just assuming it works at [itex]x=0[/itex] gives [tex]e^{−ikx−i\omega t} + |r|e^{ikx−i\omega t +i\phi} = \alpha ike^{−ikx−i\omega t} - \alpha ikre^{ikx−i\omega t +i\phi}[/tex] so [tex]e^{−i\omega t} + |r|e^{−i\omega t +i\phi} = \alpha ike^{−i\omega t} - \alpha ik|r|e^{−i\omega t +i\phi}[/tex] and dividing by [itex]e^{-i \omega t}[/itex] (or letting [itex]t=0[/itex], since the equation must hold then as well as any time) [tex]1+|r|e^{i\phi} = \alpha ik - \alpha ik|r|e^{i\phi} \\ |r|e^{i\phi}=\frac{\alpha ik -1}{\alpha ik +1}[/tex] and so [tex]|r|=|r||e^{i\phi}|=\left| \frac{\alpha ik -1}{\alpha ik +1} \right|=\frac{|\alpha ik -1|}{|\alpha ik +1|} = 1.[/tex] Now since [tex]\frac{\alpha ik -1}{\alpha ik +1} = \frac{\alpha k +i}{\alpha k -i} = \frac{\alpha^2 k^2 +2\alpha ki -1}{\alpha^2 k^2 +1} = \frac{\alpha^2 k^2 -1}{\alpha^2k^2 +1}+\frac{2\alpha ki}{\alpha^2k^2 +1}[/tex] we have [tex]\phi = \tan^{-1} \left\{ \frac{2\alpha k}{\alpha^2 k^2 -1} \right\}.[/tex] Is that right?
 
I'm pretty sure that last part isn't right at all
 
asaspades said:
Am I doing this correctly.

Just assuming it works at [itex]x=0[/itex] gives [tex]e^{−ikx−i\omega t} + |r|e^{ikx−i\omega t +i\phi} = \alpha ike^{−ikx−i\omega t} - \alpha ikre^{ikx−i\omega t +i\phi}[/tex] so [tex]e^{−i\omega t} + |r|e^{−i\omega t +i\phi} = \alpha ike^{−i\omega t} - \alpha ik|r|e^{−i\omega t +i\phi}[/tex] and dividing by [itex]e^{-i \omega t}[/itex] (or letting [itex]t=0[/itex], since the equation must hold then as well as any time) [tex]1+|r|e^{i\phi} = \alpha ik - \alpha ik|r|e^{i\phi} \\ |r|e^{i\phi}=\frac{\alpha ik -1}{\alpha ik +1}[/tex] and so [tex]|r|=|r||e^{i\phi}|=\left| \frac{\alpha ik -1}{\alpha ik +1} \right|=\frac{|\alpha ik -1|}{|\alpha ik +1|} = 1.[/tex] Now since [tex]\frac{\alpha ik -1}{\alpha ik +1} = \frac{\alpha k +i}{\alpha k -i} = \frac{\alpha^2 k^2 +2\alpha ki -1}{\alpha^2 k^2 +1} = \frac{\alpha^2 k^2 -1}{\alpha^2k^2 +1}+\frac{2\alpha ki}{\alpha^2k^2 +1}[/tex] we have [tex]\phi = \tan^{-1} \left\{ \frac{2\alpha k}{\alpha^2 k^2 -1} \right\}.[/tex] Is that right?

That all looks good to me.
 

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