Boundary of Subset A in Metric Space X: Proving Openness

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the boundary of a subset A within a metric space X, specifically questioning whether the boundary is open or not. Participants explore definitions and properties related to boundaries, closures, and the nature of open and closed sets in metric spaces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the boundary of a set, with some suggesting that the boundary is closed due to containing accumulation points. Others question the conditions under which the boundary might be open, prompting examples and counterexamples.

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The conversation includes various attempts to analyze the boundary's properties, with some participants sharing their solutions and realizations about mistakes in reasoning. There is an exploration of examples, including discrete sets and the set of rational numbers, to illustrate points about boundaries.

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Participants note that the boundary of A can be empty or the whole space under certain conditions, and there is mention of a specific webpage that discusses the boundary of open sets being nowhere dense, which adds to the context of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Let [itex]X[/itex] be a metric space, and [itex]A[/itex] its nonempty proper subset. Then is [itex]\partial A[/itex] not open? If it is, how do I prove it?

Could you give me just some hints, not the whole solution?

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I cannot even start..
 
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Boundary is closed because it contains all of its accumulation points (why?). But boundary can be open too, since there are sets that are both open and closed (can you think of some example?)
 
um... well, I've actullay solved this problem. Anin in my solution, I've proved that [itex]\partial A[/itex] is not open. Could u please check my solution?

[itex]\partial A[/itex] is closed:

[itex]\overline{\partial A}=\overline{\overline{A}\cap\overline{X\backslash A}}\subseteq\overline{\overline{A}} \cap \overline{ \overline{X\backslash A}}=\partial A[/itex]

[itex]\partial A[/itex] is not open if it is not empty:

[itex]\mbox{Int}\partial A=\mbox{Int}(\overline{A}\cap\overline{X\backslash A})=\mbox{Int}\overline{A}\cap\mbox{Int}\overline{X\backslash A}\subseteq\overline{A}\cap\overline{X\backslash A}=\emptyset[/itex]

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Ah! As I was writting this, I've realized I've made a silly mistake. I've concluded in the last line that the boundary of A is empty...

Anyway accodring to the part of the above observation, that is, the correct part of the above observation, the boundary of A is open when the closure of A and the closure of the complement of A are open.

I think a specific example can be either A=X or A = the empty set. But nontrivial example, um... cannot think of..
 
A slightly less trivial example is any set A with the discrete topology. That is, all subsets are both open and closed. It is the metric topology generated by the metric d(x,y)= a, for fixed number a, as long as [itex]x\ne y[/itex].
 
HallsofIvy said:
A slightly less trivial example is any set A with the discrete topology. That is, all subsets are both open and closed. It is the metric topology generated by the metric d(x,y)= a, for fixed number a, as long as [itex]x\ne y[/itex].

Thanks HallsofIvy!

In this case, if I calculuate the boundary of A I get empty set because A is both open and closed.

I've found another example that if A=Q the set of rational numbers, then the boundary of A is R the set of real numbers.

It seems that if the boundary is open, which is a counterintutive fact, then it is either empty or the whole space...

Anyway I've found a web page that proves that if A is open or closed then the boundary of A is not open.

http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/BoundaryOfAnOpenSetIsNowhereDense.html

(Actually this page proves that the boundary of A is nowhere dense.
 
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