Statement about topology of subsets of a metric space.

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The problem involves proving that a closed subset in a metric space is the boundary of an open subset if and only if it has empty interior. The discussion centers around the implications of this statement and the reasoning behind them.

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  • Participants explore the implications of a closed subset being the boundary of an open subset and question how to demonstrate that it has empty interior. They discuss the relationship between interior points and limit points, particularly in the context of specific examples.

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Homework Statement .

Prove that a closed subset in a metric space ##(X,d)## is the boundary of an open subset if and only if it has empty interior.

The attempt at a solution.
I got stuck in both implications:
##\implies## Suppose ##F## is a closed subspace with ##F=\partial S## for some open subset ##S## of ##(X,d)##. I want to show that ##F^°=\emptyset##. So, let ##x \in F^°##. Then, there is ##\delta## : ##B(x,\delta) \subset F##. But then, ##B(x,\delta) \subset \partial S##, which means there is ##y \in B(x,\delta) \cap S^c## and there is ##z \in B(x,\delta) \cap S##. I couldn't go farther than this.

For the other implication, I need some help too. If ##F^°## is empty, then, for every ##x \in F## and every ##\delta>0##, ##B(x,\delta) \cap F^c \neq \emptyset##. As ##F## is closed, ##F^c## is open. I want to show that ##F=\partial F^c##, we've just seen that ##F \subset \partial F^c##. Now, let ##x \in \partial F^c##, then, for every ##n \in \mathbb N##, there is ##y_n \in B(x, \dfrac{1}{n}) \cap F##. But this means ##x## is a limit point of ##F##, as ##F## is closed ## \implies## ##x \in F##. I've proved ##\partial F^c \subset F##. This proves
##F=\partial F^c##, which means ##F## is the boundary of an open subset.

Could anyone suggest me how to prove the forward implication? Is the other one correct?
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .

Prove that a closed subset in a metric space ##(X,d)## is the boundary of an open subset if and only if it has empty interior.

The attempt at a solution.
I got stuck in both implications:
##\implies## Suppose ##F## is a closed subspace with ##F=\partial S## for some open subset ##S## of ##(X,d)##. I want to show that ##F^°=\emptyset##. So, let ##x \in F^°##. Then, there is ##\delta## : ##B(x,\delta) \subset F##. But then, ##B(x,\delta) \subset \partial S##, which means there is ##y \in B(x,\delta) \cap S^c## and there is ##z \in B(x,\delta) \cap S##.

I couldn't go farther than this.

If S is open then it contains no boundary points, so F \subset X \setminus S. Thus F^{\circ} \subset (X \setminus S)^{\circ}. Is an interior point of X \setminus S a limit point of S?
 
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pasmith said:
If S is open then it contains no boundary points, so F \subset X \setminus S. Thus F^{\circ} \subset (X \setminus S)^{\circ}. Is an interior point of X \setminus S a limit point of S?

I don't see why an interior point of X \setminus S would have to be a limit point of S. For example, if I consider ##S=(0,1)##, then ##10 \in {S^c}^{\circ}## but ##10## is not a limit point of ##S##.
 
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I don't see why an interior point of X \setminus S would have to be a limit point of S. For example, if I consider ##S=(0,1)##, then ##10 \in {S^c}^{\circ}## but ##10## is not a limit point of ##S##.

So is the answer to the question "Is an interior point of X \setminus S a limit point of S?" going to be "sometimes" or "never"?
 
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pasmith said:
So is the answer to the question "Is an interior point of X \setminus S a limit point of S?" going to be "sometimes" or "never"?

Sorry, I was getting it all wrong. I think I've understood what you were trying to say:

As you've said, ##F \subset X \setminus S##. Then, ##F^{\circ} \subset {(X \setminus S)}^{\circ}##. Suppose there exists ##x \in F^{\circ}##. By hypothesis, ##F=\partial S##, thus ##x## is a limit point of ##S##. Now, ##x \in {(X \setminus S)}^{\circ}##, so there is ##\delta>0##: ##B(x,\delta) \subset X \setminus S##. But, as ##x## is a limit point of ##S##, there is ##y \in S \cap B(x,\delta)##, so ##y \in S \cap (X \setminus S)##, which is clearly absurd. From here it follows ##F^{\circ}=\emptyset##.

The answer is going to be "never".

Thanks!
 

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