Boundary Value ODE: Eigenvalues & Functions

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The forum discussion focuses on solving the boundary-value problem defined by the ordinary differential equation (ODE) y'' + λy = 0 with boundary conditions y(0) = 0 and y'(L) = 0. The analysis reveals that for λ = 0 and λ < 0, the solutions yield trivial results. However, for λ > 0, the solutions take the form y(t) = C1cos(√λt) + C2sin(√λt), leading to the eigenvalues λ = (n²π²)/(4L²) where n is an odd integer. The discrepancy between the derived solution and the textbook solution, which limits n to odd integers, is a key point of confusion for the participants.

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Homework Statement


Find the eigenvalues and eigenfunctions of the following boundary-value problem.
## y''+\lambda y = 0 ; y(0) = 0, y'(L) = 0 ##

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The Attempt at a Solution


So, we have to test when lambda is equal to, less than and greater than 0.
Let ## \lambda = 0## thus, the ODE becomes ## y'' = 0 ## which implies solutions of the form ## y(t) = C_1t+C_2 ## which would make the derivative ## y'(t) = C_1 ##. When we apply our boundary conditions we see that ## y(0) = C_2 = 0 ## and ##y'(L) = C_1 = 0 ## which are trivial solutions.

Let ## \lambda < 0 ## thus, the ODE becomes ## y''- \lambda y = 0 ## which implies solutions of the form ## y(t) = C_1e^{\sqrt{\lambda}t}+C_2e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}t} ## which would make the derivative ## y'(t) = \sqrt{\lambda}C_1e^{\sqrt{\lambda}t}-\sqrt{\lambda}C_2e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}t} ##. When we apply our boundary conditions we see that ## y(0) = C_1+C_2 = 0 ## therefore ## C_2=-C_1 ## and ## y'(L) = \sqrt{\lambda}C_1e^{\sqrt{\lambda}L}-\sqrt{\lambda}C_2e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}L} = \sqrt{\lambda}C_1e^{\sqrt{\lambda}L}+\sqrt{\lambda}C_1e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}L} = C_1[e^{\sqrt{\lambda}L}+e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}L} = 0 ## Since the exponentials can't ever be zero, it implies that ## C_1 = 0 ## this, these solutions are trivial.

Let ## \lambda > 0 ## thus, the ODE becomes ## y''+\lambda y = 0 ## which implies solutions of the form ## y(t) = C_1\cos{\sqrt{\lambda}t}+ C_2\sin{\sqrt{\lambda}t}. ##Which would make the derivative ## y'(t) = -\sqrt{\lambda}C_1\sin{\sqrt{\lambda}t} + \sqrt{\lambda}C_2\cos{\sqrt{\lambda}t} ##. When I apply my boundary conditions, we see that ## y(0) = C_1 = 0 ## and ## y'(L) = C_2\cos\sqrt{\lambda}L = 0 ## Now we solve for ## \lambda ## to see that ## \sqrt{\lambda} L = \frac{n\pi}{2} ## which makes ## \lambda = \frac{n^2\pi^2}{4L^2} ##

Thus, our solution for this boundary problem would be ## y(t) = C\sin\frac{n\pi}{2L}t ## for ## \lambda = \frac{n^2\pi^2}{4L^2}## but the solution in the book is ## y(t) = C\sin\frac{(2n+1)\pi}{2L}t ## for ## \lambda = \frac{(2n+1)^2\pi^2}{4L^2}## which I don't understand why we are limiting our n to be odd?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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WendysRules said:

Homework Statement


Find the eigenvalues and eigenfunctions of the following boundary-value problem.
## y''+\lambda y = 0 ; y(0) = 0, y'(L) = 0 ##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


So, we have to test when lambda is equal to, less than and greater than 0.
Let ## \lambda = 0## thus, the ODE becomes ## y'' = 0 ## which implies solutions of the form ## y(t) = C_1t+C_2 ## which would make the derivative ## y'(t) = C_1 ##. When we apply our boundary conditions we see that ## y(0) = C_2 = 0 ## and ##y'(L) = C_1 = 0 ## which are trivial solutions.

Let ## \lambda < 0 ## thus, the ODE becomes ## y''- \lambda y = 0 ## which implies solutions of the form ## y(t) = C_1e^{\sqrt{\lambda}t}+C_2e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}t} ## which would make the derivative ## y'(t) = \sqrt{\lambda}C_1e^{\sqrt{\lambda}t}-\sqrt{\lambda}C_2e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}t} ##. When we apply our boundary conditions we see that ## y(0) = C_1+C_2 = 0 ## therefore ## C_2=-C_1 ## and ## y'(L) = \sqrt{\lambda}C_1e^{\sqrt{\lambda}L}-\sqrt{\lambda}C_2e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}L} = \sqrt{\lambda}C_1e^{\sqrt{\lambda}L}+\sqrt{\lambda}C_1e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}L} = C_1[e^{\sqrt{\lambda}L}+e^{-\sqrt{\lambda}L} = 0 ## Since the exponentials can't ever be zero, it implies that ## C_1 = 0 ## this, these solutions are trivial.

Let ## \lambda > 0 ## thus, the ODE becomes ## y''+\lambda y = 0 ## which implies solutions of the form ## y(t) = C_1\cos{\sqrt{\lambda}t}+ C_2\sin{\sqrt{\lambda}t}. ##Which would make the derivative ## y'(t) = -\sqrt{\lambda}C_1\sin{\sqrt{\lambda}t} + \sqrt{\lambda}C_2\cos{\sqrt{\lambda}t} ##. When I apply my boundary conditions, we see that ## y(0) = C_1 = 0 ## and ## y'(L) = C_2\cos\sqrt{\lambda}L = 0 ## Now we solve for ## \lambda ## to see that ## \sqrt{\lambda} L = \frac{n\pi}{2} ## which makes ## \lambda = \frac{n^2\pi^2}{4L^2} ##
##\cos\sqrt{\lambda}L = 0 ## is what you want. But the cosine is not zero for all integer multiples of ##\frac \pi 2##, just for odd multiples. Try an even multiple for example.

Thus, our solution for this boundary problem would be ## y(t) = C\sin\frac{n\pi}{2L}t ## for ## \lambda = \frac{n^2\pi^2}{4L^2}## but the solution in the book is ## y(t) = C\sin\frac{(2n+1)\pi}{2L}t ## for ## \lambda = \frac{(2n+1)^2\pi^2}{4L^2}## which I don't understand why we are limiting our n to be odd?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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