Branch point problem and argument along contour

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of integrals involving branch points and the application of the residue theorem in complex analysis. Participants explore the behavior of functions like sqrt(z^2-1) and the implications of branch cuts on contour integration, referencing examples from Wikipedia and personal textbooks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the integral in the Wikipedia example is not zero, suggesting that the absence of isolated singularities inside the contour should lead to a zero result according to the residue theorem.
  • Others argue that the function is not holomorphic due to a branch cut, which means the residue theorem does not apply.
  • One participant describes the behavior of the function sqrt(z^2-1) around its branch points, noting that the limits from above and below the cut yield different results, specifically i*sqrt(1-x^2) above and -i*sqrt(1-x^2) below.
  • Another participant mentions that their contour does not enclose the residue at infinity, contrasting it with the Wikipedia example, which they find inconsistent with their textbook.
  • There is a discussion about the choice of branch cuts and how different branches affect the evaluation of the function, with references to polar coordinates and the principal branch of the square root.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of using different branches for the square root function and how this affects the limits taken from above and below the cut.
  • Another participant notes an example involving poles inside a larger contour that does not use the residue at infinity, questioning the correctness of the Wikipedia example in comparison.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the residue theorem and the behavior of functions around branch cuts. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the examples discussed, and multiple competing views remain regarding the treatment of branch points and contour integration.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the choice of branch cuts and the specific contours used in the examples, which may lead to different interpretations and results. The discussion highlights unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the behavior of complex functions.

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Hi everyone, I have a couple questions that have been gnawing at my head for some time:

Why is it that on wikipedia for the example logarithms and residue at infinity, (on the methods of conour integration link) that the integral is not zero?
there are no isolated singularities inside the contour, there fore by the residue theorem it should be zero.

Also, when i go around the countour of sqrt(z^2-1) i.e. the one encircling the two branch points in the counter clockwise sense, I always get that lim y to zero- is -isqrt(x^2-1) and y to zero+ is the negative of that. The answer though, is isqrt(1-x^2) and the negative of that for lim 0-. Why am i wrong?

Help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks!
 
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jack5322 said:
Hi everyone, I have a couple questions that have been gnawing at my head for some time:

Why is it that on wikipedia for the example logarithms and residue at infinity, (on the methods of conour integration link)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method...80.93_logarithms_and_the_residue_at_infinity"
that the integral is not zero?
there are no isolated singularities inside the contour, there fore by the residue theorem it should be zero.

The function f is not holomorphic inside the contour, it has a discontinuity ("branch cut") along the interval [0,3], therefore the residue theorem does not apply.

Also, when i go around the countour of sqrt(z^2-1) i.e. the one encircling the two branch points in the counter clockwise sense, I always get that lim y to zero- is -isqrt(x^2-1) and y to zero+ is the negative of that. The answer though, is isqrt(1-x^2) and the negative of that for lim 0-. Why am i wrong?

I don't understand what you mean, could you elaborate on that?
 
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well what happens is this:

we have the function sqrt(Z^2-1) we convert to polar coordinates i.e. sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z-1)=r*p*e^i(theta_1+theta_2)/2 where theta's are the principle branch that is thetas are in beween zero and 2pi. With this choice of branch the line segment -1<x<1 is the cut line. why do we get the function equals what i was saying earlier on the above and below segments of the cut? that is, why does it equal i*sqrt(1-x^2) above the cut, and -i*sqrt(1-x^2) when we approach the cut from below
 
the contour used in evaluating the problem I'm looking at doesn't involve using the residue at infinity because there is a large circle around the cut line too. It therefore does not enclose the residue at infinity. why isn't there a large circle around the contour in the wikipedia example, it isn't consistent with the one in my book
 
jack5322 said:
well what happens is this:

we have the function sqrt(Z^2-1) we convert to polar coordinates i.e. sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z-1)=r*p*e^i(theta_1+theta_2)/2 where theta's are the principle branch that is thetas are in beween zero and 2pi. With this choice of branch the line segment -1<x<1 is the cut line. why do we get the function equals what i was saying earlier on the above and below segments of the cut? that is, why does it equal i*sqrt(1-x^2) above the cut, and -i*sqrt(1-x^2) when we approach the cut from below

From what I know the principal branch of sqrt is cut at the negative real numbers, so theta is in the range from -pi to pi. This is consistent with saying that the cut of sqrt(Z^2-1) is along the interval [-1,1]. When writing sqrt(z^2-1)=sqrt(z+1)*sqrt(z-1) you need to be careful however, since you have to use different branches for the two sqrt on the right hand side to make the identity true, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root#Notes".
 
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i can understand that that is very important information, but for some reason my book uses the branch theta from 0 to 2pi but what would the function be if we took the limit from above and below and why? I'm very puzzeld by this
 
in one example they use the poles inside a larger contour with a the dogbone enclosed in a circle, this turns out to not use the residue at infinity but it still is correct while wikipedias does, why is this?
 

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