Bridging the Gap: Solving Two Problems

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The discussion revolves around two mathematical problems: finding the orthogonal trajectories of a family of curves defined by the equation y=1/(x+C) and determining the general solution of a second-order differential equation given specific base solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the first problem by examining the derivative of the given family of curves and questioning the implications of negative values. There is an exploration of alternative approaches to express the relationship between variables. For the second problem, there is uncertainty regarding the terminology of "base solutions" and how it relates to finding the general solution.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering insights and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the first problem, particularly in reinterpreting the relationship between variables. The second problem remains less clear, with participants expressing confusion about the terminology and the starting point for finding a solution.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the concept of "base solutions" in the context of differential equations, and participants are grappling with the implications of negative derivatives in the first problem.

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Hi ,
I have two problem with which I am stuck:

1- Given the family of curves y=1/(x+C).
Find the family of orthogonal trajectories
.

For this problem, I took the first derivative of y---> y'=-1/(x+C)^2. from here, I cannot find the value of C since (x+C)^2=-1/y' which is impossible.
What can I do here?

2- The pairs {x^2+x,x^2} and {x,x+2x^2} ( found by the Wronskian) are base solutions of the equation y''+p(x)y'+q(x)y=0.
Give the general solution of the equation.


Here I don't even know how to start.

Thank you
B
 
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brad sue said:
1- Given the family of curves y=1/(x+C).
Find the family of orthogonal trajectories.

For this problem, I took the first derivative of y---> y'=-1/(x+C)^2. from here, I cannot find the value of C since (x+C)^2=-1/y' which is impossible.
What can I do here?
Using 'k' instead of 'C', (in other words, let C=k)
Let g(x) describe the family of orthagonal trajectories of y=f(x)=1/(x+k)

[tex]\begin{gathered}<br /> y = f\left( x \right) = \frac{1}{{x + k}} \Rightarrow \frac{{df}}{{dx}} = - \frac{1}{{\left( {x + k} \right)^2 }} \Rightarrow \hfill \\<br /> \frac{{dg}}{{dx}} = \left( {x + k} \right)^2 \Rightarrow g\left( x \right) = \int {\left( {x + k} \right)^2 dx} = \frac{{\left( {x + k}\right)^3 }}{3} \hfill \\ \end{gathered}[/tex]
 
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brad sue said:
Hi ,
I have two problem with which I am stuck:

1- Given the family of curves y=1/(x+C).
Find the family of orthogonal trajectories
.

For this problem, I took the first derivative of y---> y'=-1/(x+C)^2. from here, I cannot find the value of C since (x+C)^2=-1/y' which is impossible.
What can I do here?
Why do say that's impossible? It's certainly possible for y' to be negative isn't it?
It might be simpler, however, to reverse it: x+ C= 1/y so, differentiating both sides, 1= (-1/y2)y' and y'= -y2. For the orthogonal trajectories you must have y'= 1/y2.

2- The pairs {x^2+x,x^2} and {x,x+2x^2} ( found by the Wronskian) are base solutions of the equation y''+p(x)y'+q(x)y=0.
Give the general solution of the equation.


Here I don't even know how to start.

Thank you
B
I'm not certain what is meant by "base solutions" or in what sense those are "base solutions" but I suspect that the general solution is
y(x)= Cx2+ Dx.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Why do say that's impossible? It's certainly possible for y' to be negative isn't it?
It might be simpler, however, to reverse it: x+ C= 1/y so, differentiating both sides, 1= (-1/y2)y' and y'= -y2. For the orthogonal trajectories you must have y'= 1/y2.


I'm not certain what is meant by "base solutions" or in what sense those are "base solutions" but I suspect that the general solution is
y(x)= Cx2+ Dx.

Thank you,
I was confused by the fact that a square ca not be negative. But as you pointed out , we are talking about derivative..
B
 

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