Britain aims to lead on nuclear energy

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The discussion revolves around Britain's ambitions to lead in nuclear energy, examining the feasibility, historical context, and comparisons with other countries' energy policies. Participants explore various aspects of nuclear energy, including safety concerns, renewable energy capacity, and the implications of nuclear investment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about Britain's nuclear policy, citing a history of indecision and public opposition (NIMBYism) that has led to a decline in nuclear power over the past decade.
  • There are concerns about the safety of nuclear power plants being located at sea level, referencing Japan's experiences and suggesting that better planning could mitigate risks.
  • Participants question the UK's renewable energy capacity, with one noting that the current wind energy output is significantly lower than what would be needed to meet the country's total energy demands.
  • Some argue that future wind energy installations will likely be offshore, but emphasize the substantial number of turbines required to meet electric load, without accounting for backup energy sources.
  • A clarification is made regarding the article's title, indicating that it refers to the UK's goal of leading in nuclear investment rather than having the highest capacity or percentage of energy from nuclear sources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism and concern regarding the feasibility of Britain's nuclear ambitions and the adequacy of renewable energy sources. Multiple competing views remain on the effectiveness and safety of nuclear energy, as well as the potential for renewable energy to meet future demands.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include unresolved questions about the actual capacity and planning for renewable energy in the UK, as well as the implications of nuclear energy investments. There is a lack of consensus on the adequacy of current renewable energy sources to meet future energy needs.

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What do you think?

http://www.aftenbladet.no/energi/aenergy/Britain-aims-to-lead-on-nuclear-energy-2989235.html
 
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As a Briton I'm skeptical. We've had decades of dithering over our nuclear policy with endless NIMBY arguments and AFAIK we've been dimishing our nuclear power over the last decade or so. Only recently I thought I heard that a series of deals for energy firms bidding to construct nuclear reactors collapsed.

Coupled with the fact that in France nuclear accounts for 3-4 times more of their energy budget and the phrase "lead the way" begins to look like so much spin.

Having said that I do support increasing nuclear power in the UK, especially next generation designs. I'm hopeful that the UK can move away from fossil fuels over the next several decades as we have ample capacity for renewable and nuclear energy.
 
Just remind planners not to put nuclear power plants at sea level...not a good idea.

After Japan's experience, I was surprised when I passed oneby boat in the Chesapeake Bay...right at the water's edge...although not geologically active, still not a good idea!
 
Ryan_m_b said:
in the UK, ... we have ample capacity for renewable ...
Ample? Apparently the UK has an average electric load of ~40 GWe, and a total, all uses, primary energy consumption rate of ~300 GW. Current the UK has about 6 GWe (peak) of wind installed. Are their some figures to show how the UK gets there on just renewables?
 
Naty1 said:
Just remind planners not to put nuclear power plants at sea level...not a good idea.

After Japan's experience, I was surprised when I passed oneby boat in the Chesapeake Bay...right at the water's edge...although not geologically active, still not a good idea!

Not if it is adequately planned for. Some generators in a hardened shelter (tsunami proof) with underground power transmission lines might have averted the total power loss.



Ample? Apparently the UK has an average electric load of ~40 GW, and a total, all uses, primary energy consumption rate of 302 GW. Are their some figures to show how the UK gets there on just renewables?

According to this, you would need to blanket all of Wales in wind farms in order to get 1/6 of the UK's energy needs.
 
aquitaine said:
Not if it is adequately planned for. Some generators in a hardened shelter (tsunami proof) with underground power transmission lines might have averted the total power loss.According to this, you would need to blanket all of Wales in wind farms in order to get 1/6 of the UK's energy needs.
McCay's referring to supplying *all* energy needs there, including air travel, heating, food, etc and not just the electric load. Electric powered air travel is a bit in the future yet.

Clearly much future wind installation will be off shore in the UK. Still, a minimum of 60,000 2MW offshore wind turbines would be needed to supply the UK electric load, and that's without addressing the backup needed for wind outages.
 
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mheslep said:
McCay's referring to supplying *all* energy needs there, including air travel, heating, food, etc and not just the electric load. Electric powered air travel is a bit in the future yet.
Yeah. We are still working on the extension cord problem!

Clearly much future wind installation will be off shore in the UK. Still, a minimum of 60,000 2MW offshore wind turbines would be needed to supply the UK electric load, and that's without addressing the backup needed for wind outages.
 
OT posts deleted. Please keep it on topic, guys. The title of the article is a somewhat clumsy paraphrase/truncation. The quote it was based on is about the UK leading in nuclear investment. In other words, to be building more than anyone else -- not to have more capacity (either absolute or in %).
 

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