Bubble in water tank affects overall weight?

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The discussion revolves around the weight of a container with water under different scenarios involving a bubble. Participants are comparing the weight in three cases, questioning how the presence of a bubble affects the overall weight of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the effects of buoyant forces and water pressure in relation to the weight of the container. Some are questioning the assumption that the weights are the same across different cases, while others are exploring the implications of energy conservation and forces acting on the system.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have offered clarifications regarding buoyant forces and pressure, while others are still seeking to understand the implications of energy and forces involved in the scenarios presented.

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There is a lack of clarity regarding certain assumptions, such as the presence of air outside the container and the specific conditions under which the bubble is analyzed. Participants are also exploring the relationship between the bubble's behavior and the overall weight of the system.

  • #31
I would like to think with forces and the distance only. The work is the force by the distance, if the bubble accelerates and moves up when the container move down from A to B with a constant velocity: the force F works from A to B. Then if the weight is lower or higher (it was logical it is higher if the bubble accelerates to up, the water accelerates to the bottom), the work from the weight is lower/higher too, Fd. The center of mass can move, but forces are applied to the bottom of the container, not in the center of mass. So, if I want to calculate the work from F I must draw another force ?

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  • #32
Force F times distance d is the work done by the container on the generator/restraining mechanism. Yes. That force is reduced because the water is accelerating downward with respect to the container.

Energy is conserved -- the work done by the generator/restraining mechanism on the container is the negation of this quantity of work.

Then you can consider the work done by the container on the water and the work done by the water on the container. That part is more difficult. Water is not rigid. It can absorb mechanical energy. The work done across the interface between water and container (computed by multiplying the force supporting the water by the motion of the container) is not equal to the pseudo-work (computed by multiplying the force supporting the water by the motion of the water's center of mass). Energy is still conserved. The difference manifests as turbulent energy in the water.
 

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