Bullet and Block Circular Problem

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The problem involves a perfectly inelastic collision between a bullet of mass m1 and a pendulum bob of mass m2, requiring the calculation of the minimum initial velocity v0 for the bob to complete a vertical circular loop. The correct answer is derived from the energy conservation principles and centripetal force equations. The final expression for v0 is (m1 + m2)√5Lg/m1, which differs from the user's incorrect conclusion of (m1 + m2)2√Lg/m1. The user must correctly apply the centripetal force condition at the top of the loop to find the accurate minimum velocity.

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I am going through past Olympiad qualifying exams as practice for this year's test. I came upon the following problem in the 2008 F=ma and continue to come up with the wrong answer. I keep coming up with C and that is not the answer provided in the answer key.


22. A bullet of mass m1 strikes a pendulum of mass m2 suspended from a pivot by a string of length
L with a horizontal velocity v0. The collision is perfectly inelastic and the bullet sticks to the
bob. Find the minimum velocity v0 such that the bob (with the bullet inside) completes a circular
vertical loop.
(a) 2√Lg
(b) √5Lg
(c) (m1 + m2)2√Lg/m1
(d) (m1 − m2)√Lg/m2
(e) (m1 + m2)√5Lg/m1




Homework Equations



m1v1= (m1+m2)v2
1/2 mv ^2 = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution



m1v1 = (m1+m2)v2
v2 = (m1v1)/(m1+m2)

So the kinetic energy of the block should be:
1/2 (m1+m2)v2^2
Then I set the initial kinetic energy of the block equal to the potential energy it would have at height 2L.

1/2 (m1+m2)v2^2 = 2L(m1+m2)g

Since v2 = (m1v1)/(m1+m2):

1/2(m1+m2)*((m1v1)/(m1+m2))^2 = 2L(m1+m2)g

m1+m2 should cancel:

((m1v1)/(m1+m2))^2 = 4Lg

(m1v1)^2 / (m1+m2) ^2 = 4Lg

m1 ^2 * v1 ^ 2 = 4Lg / ((m1+m2) ^2)

Take the Square Root of the whole thing:

m1 * v1 = 2sqrt(Lg)/(m1+m2)

SO my answer is (c) (m1 + m2)2√Lg/m1, which is apparently incorrect.

If someone could help me correct this that would be great.

Thanks.
 
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Then I set the initial kinetic energy of the block equal to the potential energy it would have at height 2L.
At the height 2L the block has kinetic energy as well as the potential velocity.
To find the velocity at the top for minimum tension( = 0), equate the centripetal force to the weight of the block.
 
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