Bullet fired at a Hinged door (rotational velocity problem)

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The problem involves a bullet colliding with a hinged door, focusing on the angular speed of the door immediately after the collision. It is situated within the context of rotational dynamics and conservation laws.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of moment of inertia and the application of kinetic energy equations. There is a focus on the conservation of angular momentum versus kinetic energy in inelastic collisions. Questions arise regarding the setup of equations for momentum conservation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions about conservation laws and exploring the correct approach to relate linear and angular momentum. Some guidance has been provided regarding the distinction between linear and angular momentum.

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There is an acknowledgment that the collision is perfectly inelastic, which affects the conservation of kinetic energy. Participants are also considering the implications of external forces acting on the system.

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Homework Statement


A 0.005-kg bullet traveling horizontally with a speed of 1.00 103 m/s enters an 17.2-kg door, imbedding itself 9.8 cm from the side opposite the hinges as in the figure below. The 1.00-m-wide door is free to swing on its hinges.

relevant img: http://www.webassign.net/sercp8/p8-56.gif

At what angular speed does the door swing open immediately after the collision? (The door has the same moment of inertia as a rod with axis at one end.)

Calculate the energy of the door-bullet system and determine whether it is less than or equal to the kinetic energy of the bullet before the collision.


Homework Equations


moment of inertia=(1/3)mL^2

KErotational= (1/2)*I*Wf^2


The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated the moment of inertia for the door and bullet system I=(1/3)(17.205kg)(1.0m-.098m)^2=4.66

Then i set the KE of the bullet equal to the KE of the door bullet system equal to each other and solved for Wf

Wf=sqrt((.005kg*(1000m/s)^2)/4.66) and got the answer to be 32.76rad/s which sounds way to big to be true. This is due just before midnight tonight, so thanks in advance for any help
 
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Number47 said:
Then i set the KE of the bullet equal to the KE of the door bullet system equal to each other and solved for Wf
KE is not conserved--it's a perfectly inelastic collision. (If it were conserved, the second question would be rather trivial.)

What is conserved?
 
The KE is not conserved since this collision is inelastic. Linear momentum is also not conserved due to external (tension) forces keeping the door on its hinge.

Angular momentum; however, should be conserved as there are no external torques. The tension forces are radial in direction.
 
so how should i set this up then? as 2 rotational velocities with different moments of inertia?
 
Doc Al said:
KE is not conserved--it's a perfectly inelastic collision. (If it were conserved, the second question would be rather trivial.)

What is conserved?

momentum would be conserved then. so do i set it up as initial linear momentum equals final rotational momentum?
 
You can't have a linear momentum equaling an angular momentum, they are different phenomena which are measured in different units.

You want initial angular momentum equal to final angular momentum.
 

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