News Bush Honest & Trustworthy Until How Many Lies?

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The discussion highlights the declining public trust in President George W. Bush, particularly in light of the Rove scandal and a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll indicating that only 41% of respondents view him as honest and trustworthy. Despite a majority disapproving of his job performance, 46% still believe he is doing well, likely due to ongoing support for neoconservative policies. The conversation critiques Bush's background, including his privileged upbringing, questionable military service, and history of substance abuse, raising concerns about his qualifications for the presidency. Additionally, it addresses significant controversies during his administration, such as the justification for the Iraq War and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction. Overall, the thread questions how Bush maintained support despite these issues, reflecting broader concerns about political accountability.
  • #51
The Smoking Man said:
It is unfortunate that they deleted it but there used to be a thing on Comedy Central's Daily Show where they did Governor Bush debating President Bush.

It was funny as hell when they had the 'governor' stating "I don't think the US military should be used for regime change" followed immediately with president Bush stating that he was going to institute regime change in Iraq.

It used to be one of my favorite links. :frown:

Here is a link to it.
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/v/bushvsbush.htm

Here is the link for Jon Stewart on Crossfire: http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2652831?htv=12
This one is hilarious.
 
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  • #53
What's Bush doing to address the problem of leaks from his administration? Oh that's right, they are blaming the leaks on the press (but how did the press get classified information?) Speaking of the press, did we add another round of suppression of our 'free' press regarding John Roberts nomination? Will Bush appoint Bolton during the recess? Stay tune for more diabolical damage to democracy...
 
  • #54
Sure enough Bush appointed Bolton during recess... And Bush still has not been willing to take any action in regard to Rove. But of all things, during all this:
"Sadly, Palmeiro misplays public’s trust"
The Washington Post
Updated: 9:19 p.m. ET Aug. 2, 2005

...President George W. Bush, who owned the Rangers when Palmeiro was a star for them, said: "Rafael Palmeiro is a friend. He testified in public and I believe him... Still do."

...Also, in the manner of other non-confession confessions, Palmeiro sounded contrite Monday when he said: "I made a mistake and I am facing it. I hope that people learn from my mistake and that the fans can forgive me."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8792516/page/2/

If it weren't for his own track record, I'd say Bush is a really bad judge of character.
 
  • #55
Townsend said:
I tried listening to Dean...I cannot listen to him when most of his speech is based on how bad the Republicans are. When I am listening to a politician speak I am looking for him to talk about what he or she has to offer. Not what is wrong with the other guy. I will decide what is wrong with the other guy...you worry about what is good about you.

Obviously you only listened to the part of the speech where he said "maybe republicans never made an honest living".

If you listened to it all can you tell me the context and the issue he was addressing?

And what about Ken Mehlman of the RNC?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200507150005

Do you prefer a to listen to someone deliberately tell lies and mislead?
 
  • #56
criminal, not even jail is enough for him and his gang.
 

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  • #57
Townsend said:
Originally Posted by SOS2008
I've voted Republican more often than Democratic. How many times have you voted Democratic?

I have one each...one republican for Bush because Kerry's position on liberties scared the hell out of me. And one democrat for Tom Daschle...but it didn't do a lot of good.

Why don't you both try voting no democrats and no republicans? they are the same parites who share the power for too meny years, america looks more like a 2 party dictatorship that a democracy...
 
  • #58
Burnsys said:
Why don't you both try voting no democrats and no republicans? they are the same parites who share the power for too meny years, america looks more like a 2 party dictatorship that a democracy...
This is true. Americans believe they are a model of democracy, but in comparison to other democratic countries, the US two party system in which there is not that much difference between the two, is not the best model. It would be nice to see an Independent become a truly viable choice. Right now I am just looking forward to being rid of the Bush regime.
 
  • #59
Burnsys said:
Why don't you both try voting no democrats and no republicans? they are the same parites who share the power for too meny years, america looks more like a 2 party dictatorship that a democracy...

Yeah...next election I am voting libertarian -as far as presidential elections anyways- but I could vote anywhere as far as local and state elections go. :biggrin:
 
  • #60
Townsend said:
Yeah...next election I am voting libertarian -as far as presidential elections anyways- but I could vote anywhere as far as local and state elections go. :biggrin:
Libertarian seems to be what the Republican party used to be in terms of less government. I like the non-intervention foreign policy. But I believe in fair trade, not free trade. I'm not really sure what the Libertarian stand is on fiscal matters (budget versus pork spending we see now). Who do you see as a Libertarian candidate to vote for in the next presidential election?

In any event, and back to the OP, the corruption has got to go!
 
  • #61
until revolving doors in the pentagon, congres, oil corporations ,defence industry and mass stops.. american people votes has no effect.
 
  • #62
SOS2008 said:
Libertarian seems to be what the Republican party used to be in terms of less government. I like the non-intervention foreign policy. But I believe in fair trade, not free trade. I'm not really sure what the Libertarian stand is on fiscal matters (budget versus pork spending we see now). Who do you see as a Libertarian candidate to vote for in the next presidential election?

In any event, and back to the OP, the corruption has got to go!
In principle, they're not worse than the Republicans and Democrats, just different - better in some ways, worse in some ways.

Of course, your last question is the real sticking point. Libertarians still seem to put up some strange candidates, especially by the time you filter down to the local elections and the Libertarian Party is just looking at the body count vs who's actually running in their name.
 
  • #63
I'm not a supporter and I'm not really a conservative, as you know, but I really can't agree when people directly blame him for many of the things that have happened during his presidency because I think he has little control (or takes little control) of what's going on. I'll definitely blame him for that though. -statutoryApe

That's why they call it "The Bush administration" so that no one particular person or group of people can be held accountable or blamed kinda takes the heat off.
 
  • #64
jammieg said:
That's why they call it "The Bush administration" so that no one particular person or group of people can be held accountable or blamed kinda takes the heat off.
Too bad really.

Whatever happened to the Truman sign on the desk ... "The Buck Stops Here".

They must have sold it off in a garage sale.
 
  • #65
haha... eBay is more like it... and it got lost during shipping...

Governments, Corporations, Churches... all have their fair share of cover ups. I think our collective understanding and awareness of these incidents are a good sign that they cannot get away with it for much longer.

What we didn't know before is hurting us today... (all the gay kids who were molested into gayness who may not be otherwise gay... yes i know what I'm saying is controversial, but it's part of my point).

Because we recognize, we can prepare and make changes. An ounce of prevention is what we need.

Ignorance is Bliss... Why do they have to do it infront of our faces? I'm so insulted!
 

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