By how much does the thermal energy of the gas change?

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamic process involving hydrogen gas, focusing on changes in thermal energy and heat transfer. Participants are exploring the relationships between work done, internal energy, and heat in the context of thermodynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of thermodynamic equations to determine changes in thermal energy and heat transfer. There is an exploration of the ideal gas law and internal energy equations, with attempts to clarify the signs associated with heat transfer.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using specific equations to relate internal energy changes to heat transfer. There is ongoing exploration of the correct sign convention for heat energy, with differing opinions on whether heat added to the system should be considered positive or negative.

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Participants express confusion over the application of equations and the interpretation of results, indicating a need for further clarification on thermodynamic principles and conventions.

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This is my very first post... :) I found some help here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=277092 But I have a difficulty in sloving second and third part

Homework Statement


The figure shows(check the link) a thermodynamic process followed by 1.90×10^−2 of hydrogen (link to the graph: http://tiny.cc/c9m0h
http://session.masteringphysics.com/problemAsset/1074025/3/knight_Figure_17_65.jpg

I get -50.7J for the work done on the gas which is right... now they want to calculate:

By how much does the thermal energy of the gas change?
AND
How much heat energy is transferred to the gas?

Please help me... I spent hours reading the textbook, but I still don't get it.

Homework Equations



Eth=W+Q
pV=nRT
Q=nCdeltaT

The Attempt at a Solution


By how much does the thermal energy of the gas change? After using above equations and
I get dalta T = 64.15859142 AND I get Eth=-15

For this question "How much heat energy is transferred to the gas?" the heat energy is what?

Please help me... Thank you
 
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You also know that a monotonic gas, such as hydrogen, has a change in internal energy as such:

∆E=3/2 n R ∆T

You can use some ideal gas law and some other reasoning to change this to an expression with PV. Once you know the energy change, the heat should be easy. Give it a try. :)
 
Mindscrape said:
You also know that a monotonic gas, such as hydrogen, has a change in internal energy as such:

∆E=3/2 n R ∆T

You can use some ideal gas law and some other reasoning to change this to an expression with PV. Once you know the energy change, the heat should be easy. Give it a try. :)

I got it! Except for the last section "How much heat energy is transferred to the gas?" Is is -25.8 oR +25.8...? My dad thinks it should be +25.8. I have the answer for the last section but I don't know if it is +/-. How do you determine +/-? For part B I entered 24.9J but it came out wrong and when I entered -24.9J it came out right.

Thanks.
 
Fortunately, heat has only one convention, which is heat added to the system.

∆U=Q+W (work done on the system)

-24.9=Q-50.7

Q=25.8

So, the gas did a certain amount of work in expanding (work was done by the gas), the internal energy decreased, and heat was added to the system.
 
Mindscrape said:
Fortunately, heat has only one convention, which is heat added to the system.

∆U=Q+W (work done on the system)

-24.9=Q-50.7

Q=25.8

So, the gas did a certain amount of work in expanding (work was done by the gas), the internal energy decreased, and heat was added to the system.

Got it! THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH!
 

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