Calculating Work, Thermal Energy, and Heat Transfer for Hydrogen Gas

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamic process involving 1.80×10−2 mol of hydrogen gas, focusing on calculating work done on the gas, changes in thermal energy, and heat transfer. Participants are exploring the relationships between these quantities in the context of thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to calculate work done using the area under a curve and discussing the relationship between work, thermal energy, and heat transfer. Questions arise about the definitions of thermal energy and heat energy, as well as the appropriate specific heat values to use in calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance regarding the calculation of work and the use of specific heat. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly concerning the definitions and calculations related to thermal energy and heat transfer.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of confusion regarding the specific heat values applicable to the problem, as the process does not maintain constant volume or pressure. Participants express uncertainty about the correct approach to determining heat transfer and the change in thermal energy.

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The figure shows a thermodynamic process followed by 1.80×10−2 mol of hydrogen.
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How much work is done on the gas?
By how much does the thermal energy of the gas change?
How much heat energy is transferred to the gas?The attempt at a solution
I thought the work done to gas should be negative the area underneath the curve, which is
W= [(300-100)*0.001L * (4-1)atm] = (3 atm * 0.2L)/2 = 0.3 L*atm = 0.3*101.3 J = 30.39 J
apparently that is neither here nor there

Also, the thermal energy of the gas change would be the same as the amount of work done on the gas plus heat energy transferred to the gas, is that correct?

Pleeeeeease hep, I am so confused.
 
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Hi Shayna! :smile:

Hint: work done = force times change in position = pressure times change in volume. :wink:
 


enn, well, I calculated the area wrong, but how do I find out about the heat transfered?
 
Hi Shayna! :smile:
Shayna said:
How much work is done on the gas?
By how much does the thermal energy of the gas change?
How much heat energy is transferred to the gas?

Also, the thermal energy of the gas change would be the same as the amount of work done on the gas plus heat energy transferred to the gas, is that correct?
Shayna said:
enn, well, I calculated the area wrong, but how do I find out about the heat transfered?

(I think thermal energy and heat energy are the same … wikipedia certainly seems to think so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_energy)

Yes, from the work-energy theorem, work done = energy transferred. :smile:

(that's the only reason anyone is interested in calculating work :wink:)
 


I got the work done by calculating area under the curve which is -50.7J
I also calculated the temperature change delta T= T1-T2 = nR/(p1V1-p2V2)= -67.75K
I also tried specific heat, which q= Cq * n* delta T = 28.82 J/mol*K * 1.8*10^-2 mol * 67.2585 K = -35.1 J
But that wasn't the answer
I don't know where to go from here
Thanks so much for your help
 


Shayna said:
I got the work done by calculating area under the curve which is -50.7J
I also calculated the temperature change delta T= T1-T2 = nR/(p1V1-p2V2)= -67.75K
I also tried specific heat, which q= Cq * n* delta T = 28.82 J/mol*K * 1.8*10^-2 mol * 67.2585 K = -35.1 J
But that wasn't the answer
I don't know where to go from here
Thanks so much for your help

I'm stuck on this one myself but one thing I know is that the specific heat is the piece of knowledge missing here since the values for the specific heat one can look up are either c_p(for constant pressure) or c_v (for constant volume) and this problem has neither constant volume nor pressure.
 


In just talked to someone about this apparently you use C_v to find the change in thermal energy. So it is just a matter of finding the two temperatures T=PV/nR then the change in temperature T_1-T_2. Then applying (delta)E_th=n*C_v*(delta)T
 

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