Calc Work: F<y,x,z^3> from P(1,1,1) to Q(2,3,4)

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The problem involves calculating the work done by the force field F = when moving from point P(1,1,1) to point Q(2,3,4). The context is within vector calculus, specifically focusing on conservative fields and line integrals.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the force field, with one suggesting it is conservative and path independent. There are attempts to parameterize the line integral and questions about the bounds for integration. Some participants propose using the potential function to find the work done.

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The discussion includes various approaches to the problem, with some participants exploring the parameterization of the integral while others suggest using the potential function directly. There is no explicit consensus on the method, but guidance has been offered regarding the potential function and the bounds for integration.

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Participants express confusion about parameterization and the relationship between the parameter t and the points P and Q. There are also references to potential misunderstandings regarding the method of calculating work.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the work performed by the force field F = <y,x,z^3> from P = (1,1,1) to Q = (2,3,4).




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So first I found that F must be a conservative field because ∇(xy + (z^4)/r) = <y,x,z^3>

Since it is a conservative field it is path independent... which means something that my teacher would be mad at me for not knowing (lol)

Can I parameterize the line integral in terms of t?

like
c(t) = <1+t,1+2t,1+3t>
c'(t) = <1,2,3>

∫F dot c'(t) dt = W? then what would be the bounds on my integral?
 
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Since you've found the potential function, why not just take the potential difference?
 
^what he or she said. Which is, coincidentally, a very useful result of path independence!
 
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PsychonautQQ said:
c(t) = <1+t,1+2t,1+3t>
c'(t) = <1,2,3>

∫F dot c'(t) dt = W? then what would be the bounds on my integral?

What values of ##t## correspond to the two points?
 
0 and 1?
so ∫F dot c'(t) dt = W between 0 and 1 will give me the correct answer?
 
how do I put F into terms of t though? like x = cos(t) y = sin(t) and z=z? ;-( I'm confused
 
LCKurtz said:
What values of ##t## correspond to the two points?

PsychonautQQ said:
0 and 1?

Why do you answer every hint with another question? Aren't you capable of plugging ##t=0## and ##t=1## into your equation of the line and checking whether you get the two points yourself?

so ∫F dot c'(t) dt = W between 0 and 1 will give me the correct answer?

Yes, if you insist on doing the problem the hard way. Had you heeded the advice in post #2 you would have been done with this thread long ago.
 
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I got the work = 68.75.

f(r(Q) - f(r(P)
f = xy + (z^4)/4
from <1,1,1> to <2,3,4>
so
(2)(3) + ((4)^4)/4 - ((1)(1) + ((1)^4)/4
70 - 1.25
68.75

Is this the correct method for doing this problem?
 
PsychonautQQ said:
I got the work = 68.75.

f(r(Q) - f(r(P)
f = xy + (z^4)/4
from <1,1,1> to <2,3,4>
so
(2)(3) + ((4)^4)/4 - ((1)(1) + ((1)^4)/4
70 - 1.25
68.75

Is this the correct method for doing this problem?

Yes. (Btw, you wrote /r instead of /4 in the OP. Adjacent keys, I see.)
 
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