Calculate a charge distribution given an electric potential.

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The discussion revolves around finding the charge distribution associated with a given electric potential expressed in terms of Cartesian coordinates. The potential is defined as $$\Phi (x,y) = 2~tan^{-1}(\frac{1+x}{y}) + 2~tan^{-1}(\frac{1-x}{y})$$, and the problem is situated within the context of electrostatics, specifically involving Poisson's equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the singularities in the potential and the implications for the charge distribution. There are attempts to compute the Laplacian of the potential, with some noting it reduces to zero, leading to discussions about the implications of boundary conditions. Others suggest relating the potential's first derivative to surface charge density and question the role of the Dirac delta function in the context of discontinuities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the nature of the potential and its discontinuities. Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between the potential and charge distribution, while others express uncertainty about specific terms and their implications. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of singularities and discontinuities in the potential, particularly at specific coordinate values. The discussion includes considerations of boundary conditions and the use of the Dirac delta function, indicating a complex interplay of mathematical concepts that may not have been fully resolved.

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Homework Statement


Find the distribution of charge giving rise to an electric field whose potential is $$\Phi (x,y) = 2~tan^{-1}(\frac{1+x}{y}) + 2~tan^{-1}(\frac{1-x}{y})$$where x and y are Cartesian coordinates. Such a distribution is called a two-dimensional one since it does not depend on the third coordinate z.[/B]

Homework Equations


Poisson's equation: $$\nabla^2 \Phi = -4 \pi \rho$$[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


The first thing I noted while attempting to solve this problem is that there is a singularity when x = ±1 and y = 0. Either way, I wanted to compute the laplacian of the electric potential to see what it would result in and it reduced to zero. I thought I had made an algebraic mistake and put it in Mathematica, again reducing to zero. Then I actually took my original thought and tried to work out a solution to avoid the singularities using the Dirac delta function, the only problem is that I don't know how I could operate the Dirac delta function. Is is possible to work out the following equation? $$ \Phi (x,y) \delta(x) \delta(y) = \Phi (0,0) \delta(x) \delta(y) \\ \nabla^2 \Phi (x,y) \delta(x) \delta(y) = \nabla^2 \Phi(0,0) \delta (x) \delta(y) $$ Although I don't think my steps will lead to something useful.
 
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lorentzian said:
The first thing I noted while attempting to solve this problem is that there is a singularity when x = ±1 and y = 0.
The potential does not have a singularity at these points, it is finite valued.
lorentzian said:
Either way, I wanted to compute the laplacian of the electric potential to see what it would result in and it reduced to zero.
Then the charge distribution must be zero. The reason the potential is not zero or some other constant is likely due to some imposed boundary conditions.
 
I suppose you could also find the the charge distributions on the bounding surfaces by relating the first derivative of the potential to the surface charge density on a bounding plane at ##y=0## and ##x=\pm1##. The surface charge density can then be related to the volume charge density using a delta function.
 
NFuller said:
Then the charge distribution must be zero. The reason the potential is not zero or some other constant is likely due to some imposed boundary conditions.

This is not correct. The potential may not approach infinity, but it does have a discontinuity over the entire segment ##-1 < x < 1## at ##y = 0##. The appropriate way of going about this is to note that this discontinuity generally will lead to ##\partial_y V = A(x) \delta(y) + f(x,y)##, where ##f(x,y)## is the continuous function you would get by naively performing the differentiation. Not to give too much away, I will leave it at that for the OP.
 
Orodruin said:
The appropriate way of going about this is to note that this discontinuity generally will lead to ##\partial_y V = A(x) \delta(y) + f(x,y),## where ##f(x,y)## is the continuous function you would get by naively performing the differentiation. Not to give too much away, I will leave it at that for the OP.
I understand I would need the Dirac delta function, what I don't quite understand is your solution method. What would ##A(x)## represent? Also, as I have mentioned before, what you name ## f(x,y) ## is actually zero once I calculate the laplacian, so I will be left with just the expresion ## \partial_y V = A(x) \delta(y) ,## which, if I understand correctly, is the first partial derivative with respect to ##y##.
 
##A(x)## would generally be a function of ##x## to be determined by looking at the size of the discontinuity of the potential. ##f## would not be zero, it represents the y-component of the field (this is the first derivative wrt y, not ##\nabla^2V##). You will need to differentiate one more time to compute ##\partial_y^2 V##.
 

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