Calculate Definite Integral with N Variable

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the definite integral \(\int_{0}^{1}(1-x)^{N}e^{x} \, dx\) for varying values of \(N\). Participants explore different approaches to evaluate this integral, including specific cases for small integers and the use of integration by parts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present specific evaluations of the integral for \(N = 0, 1, 2, 3, 4\), noting patterns in the results related to factorials and the incomplete gamma function.
  • Others propose a recursive relationship for the integral, suggesting that integration by parts leads to the equation \(k I_{k-1} - I_k = 1\) and seek to solve it.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of including the incomplete gamma function in the solution, with some expressing discomfort about its necessity.
  • One participant suggests an alternative solution without the incomplete gamma function, proposing a formula involving factorials and a summation.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their proposed solutions, with some acknowledging errors in their initial conditions or formulations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to solving the integral. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, with some participants questioning the validity of their own or others' solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their proposed solutions may not satisfy the initial conditions or may not be correct for all cases where the integral has been evaluated. There is also mention of incomplete induction versus complete induction in the context of proving solutions.

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Hii friends,[math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{N}*e^{x}\, dx[/math]

regards,
Bincy
 
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bincybn said:
Hii friends,

[math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{N}*e^{x}\, dx[/math]regards,
Bincy
this is what i have:for n=0, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{0}*e^{x}\, dx = e-1[/math]
for n=1, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{1}*e^{x}\, dx = e-2[/math]
for n=2, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{2}*e^{x}\, dx = 2e-5[/math]
for n=3, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{3}*e^{x}\, dx = 6e-16[/math]
for n=4, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{4}*e^{x}\, dx = 24e-65[/math]
and so on..so you have two sequnces.. 1,1,2,6,24... is simply n! for n=0,1,2...1,2,5,16,65,... is [math]e \cdot \Gamma(n+1,1)[/math] which is incomplete gamma function. For some reason I cannot paste the link here, please refer to the page mathworld.wolfram.com/BinomialSums.html
See equations 35 and 36so you have:
[math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{n}*e^{x}\, dx \;= \; [e\cdot n! - e \cdot \Gamma(n+1,1)] = e[\Gamma(n+1)-\Gamma(n+1,1)][/math]
 
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bincybn said:
Hii friends,[math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{N}*e^{x}\, dx[/math]

regards,
Bincy

Let:

\( \displaystyle I_k=\int_0^1 (1-x)^k e^x \; dx\)

Then integration by parts gives: \(k I_{k-1}-I_k=1\)

CB
 
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themurgesh said:
this is what i have:for n=0, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{0}*e^{x}\, dx = e-1[/math]
for n=1, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{1}*e^{x}\, dx = e-2[/math]
for n=2, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{2}*e^{x}\, dx = 2e-5[/math]
for n=3, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{3}*e^{x}\, dx = 6e-16[/math]
for n=4, [math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{4}*e^{x}\, dx = 24e-65[/math]
and so on..so you have two sequnces.. 1,1,2,6,24... is simply n! for n=0,1,2...1,2,5,16,65,... is [math]e \cdot \Gamma(n+1,1)[/math] which is incomplete gamma function. For some reason I cannot paste the link here, please refer to the page mathworld.wolfram.com/BinomialSums.html
See equations 35 and 36so you have:
[math]\int_{0}^{1}\left(1-x\right)^{n}*e^{x}\, dx \;= \; [e\cdot n! - e \cdot \Gamma(n+1,1)] = e[\Gamma(n+1)-\Gamma(n+1,1)][/math]

Incomplete induction, not mathematical induction!

CB
 
CaptainBlack said:
Let:

\( \displaystyle I_k=\int_0^1 (1-x)^k e^x \; dx\)

Then integration by parts gives: \(I_k+k I_{k-1}=1\)

CB

Integration by parts gives [math]k*I_{k-1}-I_{k}=1 [/math]

But how to solve this equation?

Is the ans [math] \frac{k+1}{k-1} [/math] ?thanks in advance.

Bincy
 
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bincybn said:
Integration by parts gives [math]k*I_{k-1}-I_{k}=1 [/math]

But how to solve this equation?

Is the ans [math] \frac{k+1}{k-1} [/math] ?thanks in advance.

Bincy

If themurgesh incomplete induction is correct, then if \(k\) is a non negative integer mathematical induction using the recurence of themurgesh's solution should work (though I am unhappy about the appearance of in incomplete gamma functions, in that I would rather avoid them if possible).

The soliution without incomplete gamma functions, to which you can apply mathematical or complete induction is:

\[I_k=e \times n!-n! \sum_{k=0}^n \frac{1}{k!}\]

Your proposed answer cannot be right since is is wrong for all the cases where we know the answer.

CB
 
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May I know what is wrong in my ans?

My ans. satisfies the recursive eqn.
I am also unhappy to include gamma function in my ans.Oops. I didn't even bother abt the initial conditions.
Pls ignore this reply.
 
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bincybn said:
May I know what is wrong in my ans?

My ans. satisfies the recursive eqn.
I am also unhappy to include gamma function in my ans.Oops. I didn't even bother abt the initial conditions.
Pls ignore this reply.
See my previous post, it has been edited to include the actual solution which you can prove is the solution by induction.

CB
 
CaptainBlack said:
\[I_k=e \times n!+n! \sum_{k=0}^n \frac{1}{k!}\]
CB
Thanks.. I got it. Instead of + it is -.
 
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bincybn said:
Thanks.. I got it. Instead of + it is -.

Yes.

CB
 

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