Calculate electric field applied along a wire

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field along a wire made of gold, given its conductivity, current, and radius. Participants explore different methods and calculations related to the electric field, current density, and resistivity, while addressing potential errors in the initial calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation using the conductivity of gold to find the electric field, but questions the correctness of their result.
  • Another participant suggests that there may be a typo in the conductivity value and discusses the importance of significant figures in the calculations.
  • A participant introduces the relationship between current density, conductivity, and electric field using the equation j = σE, providing definitions for the variables involved.
  • One participant corrects their earlier mistake regarding the conductivity of gold, stating it is actually 4.1*10^7, and recalculates the electric field, arriving at a new value.
  • Another participant confirms the recalculated electric field value but notes a discrepancy in the stated significant figures.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of including units in calculations as a verification method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of calculating the electric field using the relationship between current density and conductivity. However, there is disagreement regarding the initial value of conductivity and the implications of significant figures in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on the correct value of conductivity and the assumptions regarding significant figures. The discussion does not resolve the initial confusion over the conductivity value.

jendrix
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Hi, I'm doing some revision and I'm having a problem with the following:

Conductivity of gold is 4.1*10^-8 , what is the electric field along the wire? The current is 13.2A and the radius is 3.8mm

I've used 1/conductivity to find resistivity of (2.4*10^-8) and used this along with area to find the resistant for 1m

(2.4*10^-8) *1m/pi*(0.0038)^2

This gives 5.3*10^-4 which when multiplied by the current gives 0.007 V/m, however I'm told this is the wrong answer, can anyone see where I might have gone wrong?

Thanks
 
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jendrix said:
Hi, I'm doing some revision and I'm having a problem with the following:

Conductivity of gold is 4.1*10^-8 , what is the electric field along the wire? The current is 13.2A and the radius is 3.8mm

I've used 1/conductivity to find resistivity of (2.4*10^-8) and used this along with area to find the resistant for 1m

(2.4*10^-8) *1m/pi*(0.0038)^2

This gives 5.3*10^-4 which when multiplied by the current gives 0.007 V/m, however I'm told this is the wrong answer, can anyone see where I might have gone wrong?

Thanks

I think you've shown an incorrect value for the exponent for the conductivity of gold; probably a typo, since the value for resistivity looks okay.

Your steps to find the electric potential across a meter length is okay. What's probably "doing you in" on your result is the significant figures. All the values you've worked with in the problem have at least 2 significant figures, and the result you've presented has only one.
 
Use j = σE
j = current density, amp/sq. m
σ = conductivity, S/m
E = electric field, V/m

Vectors in bold.
 
rude man said:
Use j = σE
j = current density, amp/sq. m
σ = conductivity, S/m
E = electric field, V/m

Vectors in bold.

The previous poster was right, I did have conductivity of gold wrong, it is actually 4.1*10^7

So using j=σE

I found j to be 2.91*10^5 and dividing this by σ 4.1*10^7 my answer is 7.1*10^-3 V/m to 3sf, does this look correct?

Thanks
 
jendrix said:
The previous poster was right, I did have conductivity of gold wrong, it is actually 4.1*10^7

So using j=σE

I found j to be 2.91*10^5 and dividing this by σ 4.1*10^7 my answer is 7.1*10^-3 V/m to 3sf, does this look correct?

Thanks

Yes, that looks okay (but you've specified two sig figs, not three, which is fine for the given values).

Your first method would give you the same result (and mathematically amounts to the same thing, but "takes the scenic route").
 
jendrix said:
The previous poster was right, I did have conductivity of gold wrong, it is actually 4.1*10^7

So using j=σE

I found j to be 2.91*10^5 and dividing this by σ 4.1*10^7 my answer is 7.1*10^-3 V/m to 3sf, does this look correct?

Thanks

j is right, the rest I leave to you & gneill. I would suggest including units for each number. It's a powerful checking tool and really makes no sense without them.
 
Thanks for all the help guys :)
 

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