Calculate Hole Depth: Stone-Drop Time Problem with Speed of Sound in Air

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The problem involves a spelunker dropping a stone into a hole and calculating the depth based on the time it takes for the sound of the stone hitting the bottom to be heard. The context includes the speed of sound in air and the total time from drop to sound reception.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to separate the problem into two components: the stone's fall and the sound's travel. There is mention of equations relating distance and time for both parts, and a focus on how to relate these equations to solve for the time of the stone's fall.

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Some participants have provided equations and relationships to explore, such as setting the distances equal and using the total time to find a solution. There is an ongoing exploration of how to manipulate these equations to isolate variables.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about the process and has not yet arrived at a correct solution. There is a mention of disregarding a negative value from a quadratic equation, indicating potential complexity in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A spelunker (cave explorer) drops a stone from rest into a hole. The speed of sound is 343 m/s in air, and the sound of the stone striking the bottom is heard 1.24 s after the stone is dropped. How deep is the hole?


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I attempted to follow the steps (substituting different values) in the post above; however, I do not understand the process adequately (nor did I come up with the correct answer),
 
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There are two components to this. The stone falling to the bottom of the well and the sound traveling to the top of the well. You need to make an equation for both parts and also an equation for the total time.
 
Okay so you know [tex]d=4.9t^{2}_{1}[/tex] on the way down. On the way up [tex]d=343t_{2}[/tex] and these two distances are equal. Lastly you are given that [tex]t_{1}+t_{2}=1.24s[/tex]

If you set the equations of motions equal to each other you are left with an equation of time. [tex]4.9t^{2}_{1}=343t_{2}[/tex]

What could you substitute in for [tex]t_{2}[/tex] that would let you solve for [tex]t_{1}[/tex] ? Keep this relationship in mind [tex]t_{1}+t_{2}=1.24s[/tex] !
 
Thank you both very much! From this, t=1.21878 (disregarding the negative value yielded from the quadratic equation.

I then plugged in the value to the equation:
0*1.219+.5*9.8*1.219^2=7.279
 
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