Calculate natural line width of the transition

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The discussion revolves around calculating the natural line width of a transition for an atom, specifically focusing on the relationship between the lifetime of an excited state and the resulting line width. Participants are exploring concepts related to quantum mechanics and the energy-time uncertainty principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the energy-time uncertainty relation to derive the natural line width, questioning the validity of their calculations and assumptions regarding the lifetime of the excited state.
  • Some participants reference external sources for comparison, expressing confusion over the results obtained and the expected values for natural line widths.
  • Questions arise about the conversion of energy values to wavelength and the implications of different units in the context of natural line width.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the accuracy of their results. Some guidance is offered regarding the use of specific formulas, but there is no consensus on the correct approach or interpretation of the results. Multiple interpretations of the lifetime and its implications for line width are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the lifetime of the excited state is given in milliseconds, which raises questions about the expected natural line width in meters. There is uncertainty regarding the correct application of formulas and the interpretation of results from various sources.

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Homework Statement


A lifetime of the first excited state for some atom is τ, calculate natural line width for that line.

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, I could use energy-time uncertainty relation

ΔE*Δt=h

then ΔE*τ=h , now I can use a relation E=hc/λ

to obitain Δλ=c*τ , which is natural line width.

Now let's say τ=17ms (something like the lifetime of the Fe xiv)
then Δλ=3*10^8*17*10^-3=50*10^5m , this can not be true,
what am I doing wrong ?
 
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Can someone give me any kind of answer, some thoughts, anything ?

If I take the example from hyperphysics:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/mossfe.html#c1

where they have calculated for some transition in Iron-57 that the natural line width is
gamma≈10^-8eV

now using the relation for energy E=hc/λ to obitain λ, this gives me:

λ=hc/E ≈ 4*10^(-15)[eVs]*3*10^8[m/s] /(10^-8[eV]) =120m

so this is the natural line width expressed in meters,
as I understand this is the Full width at half maximum for this line, but this does not make sense to me. I think FWHM should be some fraction of 10^-10m, since they are talking about gamma ray there.

In my first post, in question is some green (green coronal line from sun) and I think that the FWHM (natural line width of a line) should be fraction of a nanometer.

I know that my reasoning is somewhere wrong but I just don't see where.
 
On that site you can see the formulae for the Natural linewidth, Gamma.
Why don't you use that one?

EDIT: are you sure about the lifetime of the Fe xiv? milliseconds? I don't know it, just asking...
 
I can use that formula but this will also give me a result which I don't understand.
Let's say I use that formula and plug in just order of magnitude for my values, then

gamma≈hbar/τ ≈ 10^-16/10^-3 = 10^-13eV

gamma is in energy (FWHM in energy), but I want that in nanometers, therefore using
λ=hc/E = hc/(gamma)

I have λ≈10^-15*10^8/(10^-13) = 10^6 m
But this can't be natural line width (FWHM) of this green line.
And for lifetime value τ of this green coronal line, there are several scientific papers
which also give this value τ in ms , for example this paper
page 838 just at the top
http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/587/2/836/pdf/56501.web.pdf
"The lifetime of the Fe xiv line we infer from the six data
sets is 16:69 ±0:10 ms."

If this ms means millisecond, then τ is ok,
I'm messing up somewhere else, the λ I calculated is probably something else and not natural line width. But how then to calculate natural line width in meters if you have a lifetime τ given ?
 
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Can someone at least give me an answer to any of these two questions:

1.) How do you find a natural line width (expressed in meters) ?
2.) What are typical natural line widths (atomic transitions , lasers etc ... in meters) ?

I would be grateful :)
 

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