Calculate new boiling point with change post-pressure change

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The problem involves determining the new boiling point of a liquid when the pressure is changed. The original boiling point is given at a specific pressure, and the enthalpy of vaporization is also provided. The challenge lies in applying the appropriate equations to find the new boiling temperature under altered pressure conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the equation relating temperature and pressure changes, with some attempting to simplify the problem by neglecting specific volumes. Questions arise regarding the correct form of the ideal gas equation and the implications of using general versus specific values in calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified errors in their initial approaches and are reconsidering their methods based on feedback. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of the ideal gas law and its impact on the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being examined, and productive dialogue is occurring around the necessary adjustments to the equations used.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the ideal gas law and its application to phase changes, particularly in the context of significant pressure variations. The discussion reflects the challenges of integrating equations for larger pressure changes versus small adjustments.

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Homework Statement


Liquid X boils at 127C, at a pressure of 10.6*10^5 Pa. Its enthalpy of vaporization is 5000 J/mol. At what temperature will it boil if the pressure is raised to 1.08*10^5 Pa?

Homework Equations


\frac{dT}{dP}=\frac{l}{T(v_{B}-v_{A})}

The Attempt at a Solution


It seems so simple, but I don't know what to do about the specific volumes in the denominator. I have tried saying that because the second phase is a gas v_B>>v_A, neglecting v_A, then using the ideal gas equation to substitute for v_B = V_B/N = K*T_B/P_B.

I get T_B (final temp.) as about 4*10^13 K. Which has got to be way way off.
 
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Your Relevant Equation is incorrect. The left side is flipped upside down. Otherwise, you have the right idea.

Chet
 
Thank you. I have tried solving dt/dp*(ΔP)=ΔT for Tb, using the approximation above (ideal gas law, v_B >> v_A), but get Tb ≈ Ta. Because of the small size of Boltzmann's constant, the term with it in the denominator dies.

\frac{dT}{dP} = \frac{k*T_{B}*T_{A}}{P_{B}*l}, It contains the initial temp. because I wanted the slope at the original temp.

\left\{\left\{\text{Tb}\to \frac{l \text{Pb} \text{Ta}}{k \text{Ta} (\text{Pa}-\text{Pb})+l \text{Pb}}\right\}\right\}
 
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Ok I got it. I looked at the relevant Wikipedia article. My problem was that I was using the wrong form of the ideal gas equation, and substituting Vb/n = R*Tb/Pb instead of using the general R*T/P. If I am substituting for vb, I don't get why I use general values (then integrate), instead of using the constants (with subscript "b").
 
teroenza said:
Ok I got it. I looked at the relevant Wikipedia article. My problem was that I was using the wrong form of the ideal gas equation, and substituting Vb/n = R*Tb/Pb instead of using the general R*T/P. If I am substituting for vb, I don't get why I use general values (then integrate), instead of using the constants (with subscript "b").

For a small change in pressure, it's OK, but, for a larger change in pressure, you have to integrate.
 

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