Calculate Phase Difference for Single-Slit Diffraction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the phase difference (\phi) for single-slit diffraction that leads to subsidiary maxima. Participants are exploring methods involving the phasor model and the derivative of intensity with respect to phase.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • One participant attempts to solve part b first, using known answers from part a for verification. They express confusion over differing results for \phi. Another participant questions the relevance of a parameter (d) in the intensity equation and its implications for destructive interference. There is also a discussion about the conditions for maxima and minima based on the derivative of intensity.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants clarifying the conditions for maxima and minima in the context of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of results, particularly concerning the nature of the values found for \phi.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are questioning the assumptions made about the parameters involved in the equations provided.

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Homework Statement


For single-slit diffraction, calculate the first three values of [tex]\phi[/tex] (the total phase difference betweenrays from each edge of the slit) that produce subsidiary maximu by

a) using the phasor model

b) setting [tex]\frac{dI}{d\phi} = 0[/tex], where I is given by [tex]I = I_0 \cdot (\frac{sin(\frac{1}{2} \cdot \phi)}{\frac{1}{2} \cdot \phi})^2[/tex]



Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to do part b first as I already knew the answers from part a (fairly straight forward) and was using them to check my answer.

I realized that even though I had used the exact described method, my answer was completely different as my values for phi ended up as:

1) [tex]\pi[/tex]
2) The first non-zero solution to [tex]tan(\frac{\phi}{2}) = \frac{\phi}{2}[/tex]
3) [tex]2 \cdot \pi[/tex]
 
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The equation for the intensity with single slit diffraction is

[tex]\frac { \frac {\pi d} {\lambda} sin(\phi) } { \frac {\pi d} {\lambda} }[/tex]

your equation is produced if [itex]d = \frac {\lambda} { 2 \pi}[/itex]. d is obviously too small here to get destructive interference at any angle. For the light to go through the slit and reach the screen you need [itex]\frac {- \pi} {2} < \phi < \frac {\pi} { 2 }[/itex]
 
Err. The equation for the intensity is given in the problem and d is not involved.
 
Math Jeans said:

Homework Statement


For single-slit diffraction, calculate the first three values of [tex]\phi[/tex] (the total phase difference betweenrays from each edge of the slit) that produce subsidiary maximu by

a) using the phasor model

b) setting [tex]\frac{dI}{d\phi} = 0[/tex], where I is given by [tex]I = I_0 \cdot (\frac{sin(\frac{1}{2} \cdot \phi)}{\frac{1}{2} \cdot \phi})^2[/tex]



Homework Equations



given


The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to do part b first as I already knew the answers from part a (fairly straight forward) and was using them to check my answer.

I realized that even though I had used the exact described method, my answer was completely different as my values for phi ended up as:

1) [tex]\pi[/tex]
2) The first non-zero solution to [tex]tan(\frac{\phi}{2}) = \frac{\phi}{2}[/tex]
3) [tex]2 \cdot \pi[/tex]


Hi Math Jeans,

When you take the derivative and set it to zero, you find the minima and maxima. The third values you found (2 pi) is a minima (it makes [itex]I[/itex] to be zero); the maxima are found by using your expression [tex]tan(\frac{\phi}{2}) = \frac{\phi}{2}[/tex] and finding the first three non-zero solutions.

I did not see how you got the first answer (pi); I don't believe it makes the derivative zero. If you still get it as an answer would you post your expression for the derivative?
 

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