Calculate Ratio from Data: X/Y Value Comparison

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The discussion revolves around determining the ratio of two independent variables, X and Y, based on their effect on a dependent variable, "Value." The original poster presents data in a tabular format and seeks to establish a relationship of the form X = kY, where k is a constant. The challenge lies in finding this ratio strictly from the provided data without generating new values.

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  • The original poster attempts to generate pairs of values for X and Y that yield the same "Value" to deduce the ratio. Some participants question the feasibility of this approach, particularly when one of the variables is zero. Others suggest that the relationship may not be simply proportional and explore the implications of fixed values of "Value."

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the relationship between X, Y, and "Value." Some have offered insights into the complexity of the relationship and the potential need for additional data to verify assumptions. The discussion remains open, with no explicit consensus reached on the nature of the relationship.

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There is a noted difficulty in generating values for X and Y that yield the same "Value," particularly when one variable is zero. Participants are also considering the implications of the function form relating X and Y to "Value," suggesting that it may not be a simple proportionality.

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I have data arranged like this:

-----------Combo1---------Combo2
X-----------18-----------------15
Y-----------0------------------3
Value------5.44---------------7.63

So (18,0)--> 5.44 and (15,3)--> 7.63. Now different values of X and Y affect "Value". So it's two indepent variables affecting the depend variable, "Value".

I need to figure out what the exchange rate of X and Y is. In other words, i need the Ratio X=kY where k is a constant of some sort.

My first strategy was to generate 2 random pairs of values for (X,Y) that both give the same "Value". Then, i could deduce the ratio. E.g. If (10,0) and (15,10) give the same Value, then the ratio is 5X=10Y or X =2Y. But this has proven difficult because the values are difficult to generate!

How could i determine the ratio strictly from the 2 columns above (keeping the Value(s) different)?! Is this possible?!
 
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If x=18 and y=0, then k=infinity...
 
berkeman said:
If x=18 and y=0, then k=infinity...
I know. That's why there must always be a change in both X and Y.

For example, if (15,0) and (10,2) give the same Value, then the ratio is 5X = 2y. And hence, k = 2/5.
 
What berkeman is saying is that the function of two variables value(X,Y)=z is not such that given a fixed value of z, the solutions {(X,Y)} are related by a proportionality relation X=kY, because we know that (18,0) is a solution of z(X,Y)=5.44, but there is no k such that 18=k0.

There is however, a k such that k18=0; it is k=0.

In general, the function that will give a relation btw X and Y of the form kX=Y when you fix z is of the form

[tex]z(X,Y)=c_1\frac{Y}{X}+c_2[/tex]

You can find the values of c_1 and c_2 using the values in your table. Now just generate a 3rd set of value (X,Y,z(X,Y)). If they do not satisfy the above equation, then z(X,Y) is not of this form and givena fixed z, X and Y are not related by a simple proportionality constant. They are related by something more complex.

A simpler way still would be to verify if z(X=0,Y=anything) exists (i.e. is not infinity). If it does, then it is sufficient to conclude that z is not of the above form.
 
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