Calculate the energy density of the Earth's atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy density of the Earth's atmosphere, specifically focusing on the electric and magnetic fields present. The original poster presents a problem involving an electric field strength of 100 V/m and a magnetic field strength of approximately 50*10^(-6) T, seeking to find the energy density in two layers of the atmosphere.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formula for energy density and question the interpretation of units, with some confusion about whether energy density is expressed in joules or pascals. The original poster attempts to apply the energy density formula but expresses uncertainty about the variables needed for the magnetic field calculation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing clarifications on the units and discussing the correctness of the original poster's calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of energy density and its relationship to pressure, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem text was translated and may have omitted some details, which could affect understanding. There is also mention of potential misprints in the original answers provided by the poster.

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Not really homework, just practice for a midterm, I also have the correct answers; but I guess this is the correct section.

Homework Statement



In the Earth's atmosphere we have an electric field with a vertical direction down towards the earth. The lower part of the atmosphere has a typical field strength of 100 V/m. The strength of the Earth's magnetic field is approximately 50*10^(-6) T.

Find the energy density in each of the two layers.

I assume the "two layers" are the upper and lower layers.

Homework Equations



\mbox{Energy density} = \frac{\mbox{Electric energy}}{\mbox{Volume}} = (1/2)\kappa \epsilon_0 E^2, where k is the Dielectric constant, e_0 is the permittivity of the space (8.85*10^(-12))

We also have that \kappa = \frac{E_0}{E}, E = \frac{F}{q_0}.

The Attempt at a Solution



I assume that I could just obtain the energy density directly from using (1/2)\kappa \epsilon_0 E^2 directly? I know the correct answers should be u_1 = 4.4\cdot 10^{-8} J, u_2 = 4.4\cdot 10^{-4} J However I don't know how to proceed to obtain the variables.
 
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hi phystudent515! :smile:

i find the question very confusing :redface:

also the answer … energy density isn't in J, it's in Pa (pascals) :confused:

have you given us the whole question?​
 
tiny-tim said:
hi phystudent515! :smile:

i find the question very confusing :redface:

also the answer … energy density isn't in J, it's in Pa (pascals) :confused:

have you given us the whole question?​

Forgive me, the unit for the correct answers are J/m^3, I simply misread. However I don't know if this seems more correct or not.

I did omit some text due to it being translated by hand. I'll try to restate the problem text somewhat better worded (due to translation):

"Due to lightning discharges a separation of charge will be created between the atmosphere and the surface of the Earth. The result of which is a vertical electric field in the atmosphere, pointing down towards the Earth. In the lower part of the atmosphere the field strength is typically 100 V/m. The strength of the Earth's magnetic field is approximately 50*10^(-6) T.

Find the energy density in each of the fields."

That is the entire problem text with nothing omitted.

I have tried the following to obtain the same solutions:

For the electric field: (1/2)\kappa \epsilon_0 E^2 = 1/2 * 1 * 8.85*10^(-12) * 100^2 = 4.4 * 10^(-8), which is correct.

For the magnetic field: I use (1/2) \epsilon_0 E^2 + \frac{B^2}{2\mu_0} = 1/2 * 8.85*10^(-12) * 100^2 + (50*10^(-6))^2/(2*4*pi*10^(-7)) = 9.94*10^(-4), which is not correct. I observe however that it is roughly twice that of the result I'm looking for.
 
hi phystudent515! :smile:

yes, that second 4.4 is clearly a misprint …

the typesetter has got bored and typed the number twice! :zzz:

1/2 B2o is the correct formula

btw, J/m3 and Pa are the same, see eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_densityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density …
Energy per unit volume has the same physical units as pressure, and in many circumstances is an exact synonym: for example, the energy density of the magnetic field may be expressed as (and behaves as) a physical pressure …

In short, pressure is a measure of volumetric enthalpy of a system.
 
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