Calculate the Masses of two binary stars

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The discussion revolves around calculating the masses of the binary stars in the Sirius system using the provided orbital parameters. The original poster is seeking clarification on how to apply the relevant equation and convert units appropriately.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the equation for mass calculation but expresses confusion regarding unit conversions and the application of the formula. Some participants suggest that the equation can be used in a form that avoids SI unit conversion, while others question the understanding of the initial setup and its implications for the final answer.

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Participants are actively exploring different interpretations of the equation and its application. There is a recognition that the original poster's approach may be valid, but uncertainty remains regarding the conversion to solar masses and the implications of the calculations.

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The discussion highlights the importance of unit consistency, particularly in converting astronomical units to SI units, and the potential for using dimensional analysis to simplify the problem. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the final answer aligns with the requested format of solar masses.

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Homework Statement


I am trying to understand the following example question in my course book, The answer is actually given but i don't understand how they got to it, i would like someone to give me an idea how this has been worked out

In the Sirius Binary system the orbital period is 50 years and the semi major axis of the relative orbit is 20AU. Calculate the masses of sirius A and B expressing your answer in solar masses

Homework Equations


M+m = 4 Pi^2 a^3 / GP^2


The Attempt at a Solution


M+m = 4Pi^2 (20 x 1.50 x 10^11 m) ^3 / (6.67 x 10 ^-11 N m^2 Kg^-1) x (50 x 3.16 x 10^7 s) ^2

I really don't understand as i thought from the equation that it would be 4 Pi^2 x 20^3 / 6.67 x 10^-11 x 50 ^2

What am i missing ?
 
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Hi victoriafello ! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a pi: π and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
victoriafello said:
M+m = 4 Pi^2 a^3 / GP^2

The Attempt at a Solution


M+m = 4Pi^2 (20 x 1.50 x 10^11 m) ^3 / (6.67 x 10 ^-11 N m^2 Kg^-1) x (50 x 3.16 x 10^7 s) ^2

I really don't understand as i thought from the equation that it would be 4 Pi^2 x 20^3 / 6.67 x 10^-11 x 50 ^2

hmm … they seem to have converted everything to SI units …

AU to m, and year to s …

which gives them an answer in kg.

But the problem asks for an answer in solar masses, so you should be able to use AU and year, and get the answer from the given equation just by dimensional considerations (and without using G) :confused:
 
Thanks, I thought that if the units were in AU and Yrs then i could use the equation in the form

(M+m) / Msun = (a/AU)^3/(P/yr)^2

So this would make the equation

20^3/50^2 = 3.2

Is this correct ? I am still a bit unsure about the first part of the equation is this answer now in solar masses or so i need to convert ?
 
victoriafello said:
Thanks, I thought that if the units were in AU and Yrs then i could use the equation in the form

(M+m) / Msun = (a/AU)^3/(P/yr)^2

So this would make the equation

20^3/50^2 = 3.2

Is this correct ? I am still a bit unsure about the first part of the equation is this answer now in solar masses or so i need to convert ?

Yes, that looks right to me …

mass is proportional to axis cubed and inversely proportional to period squared, so the result is a multiple of the mass of the Sun+Earth, in other words in solar masses :smile:
 

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