Calculate the quantum number of an electron given its velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating the quantum number of an electron confined in a one-dimensional box with infinite potential walls. The electron's speed is given as a fraction of the speed of light, and participants are exploring the relationship between kinetic energy and quantum energy levels.

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  • Participants discuss calculating the kinetic energy of the electron and comparing it to the energy levels derived from quantum mechanics. There are attempts to derive the quantum number using the kinetic energy formula and the energy level equation.

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Some participants have provided insights on simplifying calculations by using energy in electron volts and incorporating constants like the rest energy of the electron. There is acknowledgment of differing kinetic energy values, and one participant expresses gratitude for the guidance received, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is a focus on ensuring that calculations align with quantum mechanical principles.

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Homework Statement


An electron moves with speed v=10-4c inside a one dimensional box (V=0) of length 48.5 nm. The potential is infinite elsewhere. The particle may not escape the box. What approximate quantum number does the electron have?

Homework Equations


En = n2[itex]\frac{\pi^{2}\hbar^{2}}{2ml^{2}}[/itex]

KE = [itex]\frac{mv^{2}}{2}[/itex]

9.1e-31 kg / electron
6.2e18 eV / J

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that I need to find the kinetic energy of the electron and compare it with the various energies given by the first equation above in order to determine the value of n. However, I keep getting values for E that are far too small:

KE = [itex]\frac{mv^{2}}{2}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1.9\times10^{-31} kg \times (3\times10^{4} m/s)^{2}}{2} \times 6.2\times10^{18} eV/J[/itex] = [itex]5.301\times10^{-4} eV[/itex]

This is far lower than the energies I get out of the first equation above, so I think that I'm missing something up to this point.
 
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I get a different value for the kinetic energy (~2.5 meV).
What did you get as ground state energy?
 
MatrixMan87 said:

Homework Statement


An electron moves with speed v=10-4c inside a one dimensional box (V=0) of length 48.5 nm. The potential is infinite elsewhere. The particle may not escape the box. What approximate quantum number does the electron have?


Homework Equations


En = n2[itex]\frac{\pi^{2}\hbar^{2}}{2ml^{2}}[/itex]

KE = [itex]\frac{mv^{2}}{2}[/itex]

9.1e-31 kg / electron
6.2e18 eV / J

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that I need to find the kinetic energy of the electron and compare it with the various energies given by the first equation above in order to determine the value of n. However, I keep getting values for E that are far too small:

KE = [itex]\frac{mv^{2}}{2}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1.9\times10^{-31} kg \times (3\times10^{4} m/s)^{2}}{2} \times 6.2\times10^{18} eV/J[/itex] = [itex]5.301\times10^{-4} eV[/itex]

This is far lower than the energies I get out of the first equation above, so I think that I'm missing something up to this point.
You can make your life quite a bit easier if you learn to throw in convenient factors of c and get used to working with eV instead of joules. For example,
$$K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{1}{2}(mc^2)\left(\frac{v}{c}\right)^2,$$ where the rest energy of the electron in eV is ##mc^2=511000\text{ eV}##. You can now easily see what the kinetic energy should be without a calculator.

The combination ##\hbar c = 197\text{ ev nm}## is a useful one to memorize as well. Again throwing in a few factors of c, we find that the n-th energy level is given by
$$E_n = \frac{n^2\pi^2\hbar^2}{2ml^2} = \frac{n^2\pi^2(\hbar c)^2}{2(mc^2)l^2}.$$ You should be able to see the units work out quite easily if your express ##l## in nm, yielding an answer in eV.
 
Thanks Vela, that's exactly what I needed.

I was able to equate the kinetic energy equation with the orbital energy level equation and solve for n, like so:

http://imgur.com/7a7uu
 

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