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The discussion revolves around calculating the value of the expression |z/u|, where z = 2 + i and u = -3 - 3i. The initial approach involves multiplying by the conjugate to simplify the expression, but participants clarify that the absolute value, or modulus, of a complex number must be a real number. The correct method to find the modulus is highlighted, leading to the conclusion that |z/u| can also be computed as |z|/|u|. The final result is confirmed as √10/6, with participants discussing the terminology of "absolute value" versus "modulus" in the context of complex numbers. Understanding the distinction between these terms is emphasized as part of the learning process.
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Homework Statement


Let z = 2 + i and u = -3-3i. Calculate the value of |z/u|.

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The Attempt at a Solution



|z/u|=|(2 + i)/(-3-3i)|
= |(2 + i)/(-3-3i)*(-3+3i/(-3+3i)| --- if it is not clear, I'm multiplying by the conjugate.
= |(-6+6i-3i+3i^2)/(9-9i+9i-9i^2)|
= |(3i^2+3i-6)/(-9i^2+9)|
= |(3i-9)/18|
= |-1/2+i/6|
= 1/2+i/6


Did I take care of the absolute value part correctly? Thanks.
 
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The absolute value is a real number, not a complex number. Apart from the last step, it looks fine, but it can be done in an easier way.
 
mfb said:
The absolute value is a real number, not a complex number. Apart from the last step, it looks fine, but it can be done in an easier way.

OK, so any hint as to how to convert it to a real number? Also, why does it have to be a real number? What does being in absolute terms have to do with being real/imaginary?
 
OK, so any hint as to how to convert it to a real number?
Check how "absolute value" is defined for complex numbers.
Also, why does it have to be a real number? What does being in absolute terms have to do with being real/imaginary?
Follows from the definition.
 
By the way, it's called a modulus and not an absolute value. Absolute value seems to be reserved for ##\mathbb{R}##.
 
Ok.

= |-1/2+i/6|
= sqrt((1/2)^2+(1/6)^2)
= srqt(1/4+1/36)
= sqrt(10)/6

Is that it?
 
1question said:
Ok.

= |-1/2+i/6|
= sqrt((1/2)^2+(1/6)^2)
= srqt(1/4+1/36)
= sqrt(10)/6

Is that it?
That's correct.

It's also true that |z/u| = |z|/|u| .

##\displaystyle |2+i| = \sqrt{5} ##

##\displaystyle |-3-3i| = 3\sqrt{2} ##

...
 
SammyS said:
That's correct.

It's also true that |z/u| = |z|/|u| .

##\displaystyle |2+i| = \sqrt{5} ##

##\displaystyle |-3-3i| = 3\sqrt{2} ##

...

Thanks for confirming. That IS faster...
 
micromass said:
By the way, it's called a modulus and not an absolute value. Absolute value seems to be reserved for ##\mathbb{R}##.
I'm pretty sure I've seen it called "absolute value". Let me check... yes, Saff & Snider (Fundamentals of complex analysis for mathematics, science, and engineering) begins the definition by saying "The modulus or absolute value of..." and Anton (Linear Algebra) defines the "modulus" and then immediately says "The modulus of z is also called the absolute value of z". Those are the only books I checked. I also think that "absolute value" is the more common term in physics books.
 
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Fredrik said:
I'm pretty sure I've seen it called "absolute value". Let me check... yes, Saff & Snider (Fundamentals of complex analysis for mathematics, science, and engineering) begins the definition by saying "The modulus or absolute value of..." and Anton (Linear Algebra) defines the "modulus" and then immediately says "The modulus of z is also called the absolute value of z". Those are the only books I checked. I also think that "absolute value" is the more common term in physics books.

I see... I never knew that, I thought modulus was more common. Thanks!
 

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