Calculate the work done by the frictional force

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block sliding on a horizontal surface, where kinetic friction and an applied force are at play. Participants are tasked with calculating various forms of work done, changes in kinetic energy, and the block's behavior under these forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations for work done by the applied force and friction, questioning the relationship between work and kinetic energy changes. There are attempts to clarify the distinction between net work and changes in kinetic energy.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for work done and changes in kinetic energy, while others seek clarification on specific parts of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of how different forces contribute to the block's motion and energy changes, with no explicit consensus reached on all points.

Contextual Notes

Participants are reminded not to use Newton's second law in their calculations, which adds a layer of complexity to their reasoning. There are also indications of confusion regarding the interpretation of certain parts of the problem, particularly concerning energy changes and the implications of the applied force.

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Homework Statement



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A block with mass m = 10 kg slides along a horizontal floor. The kinetic friction force opposing the motion of the block is constant at a value 14 N. At clock reading t=0.0 s and position x=0.0 m, the block has an instantaneous velocity of v = 4 m/s to the right. A force P is applied to the block starting at the instant it is in the position x=0. The direction of P remains fixed and positive (to the right), but its magnitude varies according to the graph above. Use work and energy arguments to answer the questions below; do not make use of Newton's second law.
a) Calculate the work done by the force P in the displacement from x=0 to x=4 m.

b) Calculate the work done by the frictional force during the same displacement

c) Calculate the work done by the net force acting on the block during the displacement.

d) Calculate the change in kinetic energy of the block.

e) Calculate the final kinetic energy of the block; that is, the kinetic energy it possesses on reaching the position x=4 m.

f) Calculate the velocity of the block at the position x=4 m.

g) Calculate how far the block will slide beyond position x=4 m if the force P abruptly drops to zero at this position and remains zero from there on.

h) Calculate any potential energy changes of the earth-block system that take place over the course of the motion from x=0 to x=4 m.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


a) I found the area under the curve = 100 J
b) 14N*4m*cos180 = -56 J
c or d, I am not sure which) 100J+(-56J) = 44 J
I am not sure about the rest. Can someone help me out??
 
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Bones said:
d) Calculate the change in kinetic energy of the block.

e) Calculate the final kinetic energy of the block; that is, the kinetic energy it possesses on reaching the position x=4 m.

f) Calculate the velocity of the block at the position x=4 m.

g) Calculate how far the block will slide beyond position x=4 m if the force P abruptly drops to zero at this position and remains zero from there on.

h) Calculate any potential energy changes of the earth-block system that take place over the course of the motion from x=0 to x=4 m.

The Attempt at a Solution


a) I found the area under the curve = 100 J
b) 14N*4m*cos180 = -56 J
c) 100J+(-56J) = 44 J
I am not sure about the rest. Can someone help me out with some equations??

d) what happened to the additional work? What did it go into?

e) what's the total?

f) You know m so what's v?

g) how long until it stops then with friction slowing it by 14 J per meter?

h) is it horizontal?
 
Is the answer for c and d the same??
 
Bones said:
Is the answer for c and d the same??

Where else would it go?
 
I am not sure I know what part e is asking for...would initial kinetic energy be 1/2(10kg)(4m/s)^2=80 and then final would be 80-44=36??
 
For part f, 44J=1/2(10kg)v^2-1/2(10kg)(4m/s)^2 = 4.98m/s ?
 
Is the answer for h=0?
 
g) 1/2(10kg)(4.98m/s)^2 = (14N)(x) x = 8.86m ?
 
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Sorry to be such a bother, but I applied for a tutor but they did not have one that could work around my school schedule :P
 
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Bones said:
I am not sure I know what part e is asking for...would initial kinetic energy be 1/2(10kg)(4m/s)^2=80 and then final would be 80-44=36??

P was adding KE to the object, not subtracting it.
 
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Bones said:
I am not sure I know what part e is asking for...would initial kinetic energy be 1/2(10kg)(4m/s)^2=80 and then final would be 80-44=36??

You found the initial KE correctly, but not the final.

Wnet = change in kinetic energy = KEfinal - KEinitial
Wnet = 44J as you found out, so:
44J = KEfinal - 80J
KEfinal = 44J + 80J = 124J

Bones said:
For part f, 44J=1/2(10kg)v^2-1/2(10kg)(4m/s)^2 = 4.98m/s ?

This looks good.

for part h, I'm not sure, but I would guess that the answer is zero.

For part g, there is still a frictional force of 14N slowing it down. But remember, you said you are not allowed to use Newtons second law (F = ma) so you have to use the Wnet = KE2 - KE1 to solve for it.
 
  • #12
Bones said:
For part f, 44J=1/2(10kg)v^2-1/2(10kg)(4m/s)^2 = 4.98m/s ?

No. The total KE at that point is equal to mV2/2

Edit: OK. You got the right answer, but I was looking for 124 J = mV2/2
 
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LowlyPion said:
P was adding KE to the object, not subtracting it.

So it would be 80+44?
 
  • #14
LowlyPion said:
No. The total KE at that point is equal to mV2/2

So 124J=1/2(10kg)(v^2) v=4.98m/s
 
  • #15
Bones said:
g) 1/2(10kg)(4.98m/s)^2 = (14N)(x) x = 8.86m ?

This is the right idea, but the wrong total KE at x=4.

Just redo it.

Edit: OK so you did have the right total KE. I didn't recognize it.
 
  • #16
KE at x=4 is 124J
124J=(14N)(x)
x=8.86m
 
  • #17
That was a lot of great help. Thank you soo much!
 

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