Calculate Volume of Rotated Geometry: y-10=x and y2 -6y =x, around x=1

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of a solid formed by rotating the area between the curves defined by the equations y - 10 = x and y^2 - 6y = x around the line x = 1. Participants are exploring the setup and execution of the integral needed for this calculation.

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  • Participants are attempting to set up the integral for the volume calculation and are questioning the correctness of their expressions and results. There are discussions about the correct squaring of terms and the implications of negative results in the context of volume.

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The conversation is ongoing with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's work. Some have identified potential errors in squaring terms and the setup of the integral, while others are questioning the outputs from computational tools like Wolfram Alpha. There is no explicit consensus on the correct volume yet.

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1. Find the volume between y-10=x and y2 -6y =x, rotated around x=1.


2. R= y2 -6y -1

r= y-10 -1


∫2 to 5 of [(\pi(y2 -6y -1)2) - \pi(y - 11)2]

∫\pi[y4 - 12y3 + 4y2 + 12y + 1] - \pi[y2 - 22y + 121]dy

= \pi[y5/5 - 12y4/4 + 4y3/3 +122/2 +y] - \pi[y3/3 - 22y2/2 + 121y] |2 to 5

...LONG SUBSTITUTION...

= -928.33\pi - 371.67\pi + 4.93\pi + 200.67\pi

= -1094.4\pi

...Is this the right answer...? I don't really think it's right because it's negative!
But what am I doing wrong here? :(

Thanks SO much for your help! :D
 
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Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
1. Find the volume between y-10=x and y2 -6y =x, rotated around x=1.2. R= y2 -6y -1

r= y-10 -1∫2 to 5 of [(\pi(y2 -6y -1)2) - \pi(y - 11)2]

∫\pi[y4 - 12y3 + 4y2 + 12y + 1] - \pi[y2 - 22y + 121]dy

= \pi[y5/5 - 12y4/4 + 4y3/3 +122/2 +y] - \pi[y3/3 - 22y2/2 + 121y] |2 to 5

...LONG SUBSTITUTION...

= -928.33\pi - 371.67\pi + 4.93\pi + 200.67\pi

= -1094.4\pi

...Is this the right answer...? I don't really think it's right because it's negative!
But what am I doing wrong here? :(

Thanks SO much for your help! :D

It's easy to get something negative if you are subtracting something larger from something smaller when you meant to do the reverse. Which of those curves has the largest radius around the axis x=1? And I don't think just flipping the sign right will fix it either. Some other error around as well. Ah, you didn't square y^2-6y-1 correctly.
 


You're right! I didn't square the (y2 - 6y -1) correctly! X(

The correct sqaring should equal: (y4 - 12y3 + 34y2 + 12y + 1)

So the integral seems like is should really be:

∫2 to 5 [\pi(y4 - 12y3 + 34y2 + 12y + 1) - \pi(y2 - 22y + 121)]dy

AWFUL AND LONG SUBSTITUTION!

= 321.67\pi - 371.67\pi - 75.07\pi + 199.33\pi

= 74.26\pi

BUT when I put this whole integral into Wolfram Alpha (including the squares), it said it equals 0!

Then when I put in the integral again (this time with the squares factored out), it said the answer should be 15.9016!
What?! Would you please tell me what's wrong here?

Thank you SO much! :D
 


I went through this thing again and again, and I only thing I found was a slight error making the answer 75.6\pi!

Do you guys have any idea about this? :(
 


Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
I went through this thing again and again, and I only thing I found was a slight error making the answer 75.6\pi!

Do you guys have any idea about this? :(

I think 75.6*pi sounds just fine. You KNOW 0 isn't correct, right? What exactly did you input to WA?
 


integral from 2 to 5 of [pi(y^4 - 12y^3 + 34y^2 + 12y + 1) - pi(y^2 - 22y + 121)]


The above is exactly what I typed into WA.
 


Lo.Lee.Ta. said:
integral from 2 to 5 of [pi(y^4 - 12y^3 + 34y^2 + 12y + 1) - pi(y^2 - 22y + 121)]The above is exactly what I typed into WA.

That's an interesting misunderstanding. WA takes pi(x) to be a function giving the number of primes less than or equal to x. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime-counting_function Try reading the fine print in the input box. If don't want that write pi*(x) instead.
 
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