Volume of Rotation around the y-axis for y=1/x+2 and x=1

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume generated by the curve y=1/(x+2) and the line x=1, specifically when rotated around the x-axis and y-axis. Participants are exploring the appropriate methods and limits for calculating these volumes.

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  • Some participants discuss using the shell method for calculating the volume around the y-axis, suggesting it may simplify the process. Others mention the disk and washer methods, expressing uncertainty about their application in this context.
  • There are questions regarding the correct limits of integration, particularly for the volume around the y-axis, with attempts to clarify the setup and the function transformations involved.
  • One participant notes confusion about undefined expressions when evaluating limits, particularly at zero.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various methods being proposed and explored. Some participants have shared their evaluations of integrals, leading to differing results, indicating that multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants are navigating potential constraints related to the definitions of the functions and the limits of integration, particularly in relation to the behavior of the functions at certain points.

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Homework Statement



Hello!

English is not my native language so I hope the terminology is right.

Q:
Find the volume generated by the curve y=1/x+2, positive x- and y-axis and the line x=1.
Calculate the volume obtained by rotation around the:
a) x-axis
b) y-axis

Homework Equations


The textbook use this one:
Vx= \pi \int_{a}^{b}(f(x))^{2} dx

The Attempt at a Solution


a) I got this one right:

Vx = \pi \int_{0}^{1}\frac{1}{(x+2)^{2}} dy= \pi \left[ -\frac{1}{x+2} \right]= \pi(\frac{1}{3} - \frac{1}{2}) = \frac{\pi}{6}

b) I can't get this straight and I'm not sure about the upper-/lower-limits:

y(1)= \frac{1}{1+2}=\frac{1}{3}\\y(0)=\frac{1}{0+2}=\frac{1}{2}.

X as a function of y:

x(y)=\frac{1}{y}-2

We have:

x(y)=\frac{1}{y}-2\\Vy = \pi \int_{1/2}^{1/3}(\frac{1}{y}-2)^{2} dy = 4\pi \left[y-\frac{1}{4y}-lny \right] = 4\pi ((\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{2}-ln\frac{1}{2}) - (\frac{1}{3}-\frac{3}{4}-ln\frac{1}{3}))=\\= 4\pi (-\frac{1}{3}+\frac{3}{4}+ln\frac{1}{3}-ln\frac{1}{2}) = 4\pi (\frac{5}{12}+ln\frac{2}{3})

Stock here! I have tested the limits 0 to 1, 0 to 1/3 och 1/3 to ½. Anybody have any clue?



The answer is:

4\pi (\frac{1}{2}+ ln\frac{2}{3}) v.e
 
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I would have to say that the shell method would be easier here,
2*∏*∫(SHELL RADIUS)*(SHELL HEIGHT) dx
Of course the limits of integration would be [0,1]
 
It would be convenient to use vertical line segments in this case in order to avoid setting up multiple integrals. So:

##r_{in} = x - dx##
##r_{out} = x##
##height = \frac{1}{x+2}##

##dV = 2\pi(\frac{r_{in} + r_{out}}{2})(r_{out} - r_{in})(height)##
 
Panphobia said:
I would have to say that the shell method would be easier here,
2*∏*∫(SHELL RADIUS)*(SHELL HEIGHT) dx
Of course the limits of integration would be [0,1]
Zondrina said:
It would be convenient to use vertical line segments in this case in order to avoid setting up multiple integrals. So:

##r_{in} = x - dx##
##r_{out} = x##
##height = \frac{1}{x+2}##

##dV = 2\pi(\frac{r_{in} + r_{out}}{2})(r_{out} - r_{in})(height)##

Thanks,
I have never seen this methods. The textbook & teacher only use pi(f(x))² and Washer method. Should it not be possiable with disc/washer?

With [0,1] I got:
Vy = 4\pi ((1-\frac{1}{4*1}-ln1) - (\frac{0}{0}-\frac{1}{4*0}-ln\frac{0}{0})) = 4\pi (1-\frac{1}{4}) = 4\pi (3/4)
Isn't the parentheses with 0 undefined, so I can't really use lower limit 0?
 
The method I'm using is simply a generalized version of the disk and washer methods. Makes it so you only have to remember one formula really.

Using the method I get 1.18796 as the answer.
 
Using the shell method I got the same answer as Zondrina, but using your integral Hacca, I evaluated the integral on my own, and on wolfram, and both came to the same conclusion of 0.0448.
 

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