Calculate your average velocity from pillar to post

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating average speed and average velocity for a runner who travels a total distance of 480m, first running 200m east and then 280m west. The context is rooted in kinematics, specifically focusing on the distinction between average speed and average velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definitions and calculations for average speed and average velocity, noting the differences between total distance and total displacement. There are questions regarding the correct total time for the trip and how to apply the formulas correctly.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on calculating average speed and average velocity, confirming the total time as 110 seconds. There is ongoing exploration of how to interpret displacement and time in the context of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of negative displacement and the interpretation of average velocity in directional terms. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the calculations without arriving at a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



Starting from a pillar, you run a distance 200m east (the x-direction) at an average speed of 5.0m/s , and then run a distance 280m west at an average speed of 4.0m/s to a post.

Calculate your average speed from pillar to post.

Calculate your average velocity from pillar to post.

I drew a rough sketch on how I would this would look like:
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/449/untitled1zs5.jpg

I understand that they are on the sime line, as if the runner is running forward and back,
I drew it in two separate lines for convienience.

Homework Equations



V = X2-X/T2-T1

The Attempt at a Solution



At first, I would assume that on they way back, the speed would be 4.0m/s and would remain that for the 80m portion gap between 200 and 280m.

Then I decided, that was too easy (and plus I got it wrong), so I think the equation shown above comes into play. But I don't know where to go from there, can anyone stir me into the right direction.
 
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Average speed and average velocity are different.

Average speed = (Total Distance)/(Total Time)

Find the total distance... find the total time for the trip... divide them for the average speed...

Average velocity = (Total Displacement)/(Total Time) (displacement is a vector)
 
learningphysics said:
Average speed and average velocity are different.

Average speed = (Total Distance)/(Total Time)

Find the total distance... find the total time for the trip... divide them for the average speed...

Average velocity = (Total Displacement)/(Total Time) (displacement is a vector)



Thank you for your fast response.

I understand that Average speed is total distance over total time, which leads the av. speed to be 4.4 m/s.

For Average velocity, you mention that it's total displacement over total time.

The displacement would have to be 80m, -80m since it's going 80m from where it started.
Total time is where I am starting to have problems,

I know that the 200m @ 5m/s has a total time of 40 seconds.
I know that the 280m @ 4m/s has a total time of 70 seconds.

Would total time be 30 seconds? or will be still be 70+40= 110s.

Average Velocity = -80m/30s
or
Average velocity = -80m/110s?
 
Average speed looks right. Total time is 110s. So average velocity would be -80/110 m/s. And since east is positive and west is negative, in your final answer I would use 0.727 m/s West.
 
learningphysics said:
Average speed looks right. Total time is 110s. So average velocity would be -80/110 m/s. And since east is positive and west is negative, in your final answer I would use 0.727 m/s West.

Thank you, I was thinking about .727, but thought to myself that the number might be too small for average velocity.

I understand that -80m is the displacement, and time is 110 as you mentioned total time. Time cannot be negative, so the final result would have to be -.727 m/s.

I thank you again for the time you took to help me out. :smile:
 
Heat said:
Thank you, I was thinking about .727, but thought to myself that the number might be too small for average velocity.

I understand that -80m is the displacement, and time is 110 as you mentioned total time. Time cannot be negative, so the final result would have to be -.727 m/s.

I thank you again for the time you took to help me out. :smile:

No prob. be sure at the end to interpret the negative sign as being west... ie: writing the final answer as 0.727m/s West.
 

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