Calculating Air Friction Trajectory of a Ball

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The discussion revolves around calculating the trajectory of a ball while incorporating air friction, specifically focusing on the effects of drag. Participants are exploring the complexities of fluid friction and its impact on motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to account for air friction in trajectory calculations, with some expressing confusion about the drag coefficient and its determination. Others suggest looking for established formulas and correlations related to drag.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights on the drag equation and the concept of drag coefficients. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the calculation process and questions about how to experimentally determine the drag coefficient for a ball.

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Some participants mention the lack of clear resources on calculating air friction and the need for experimental data to find the drag coefficient. There is also a consideration of whether to approach the problem numerically or analytically.

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I'm trying to figure out the trajectory of a ball but i don't know how to incorporate air friction. I've googled it several times but havn't found anything. Most are just examples but don't describe how to calculate it.
 
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If you have all the forces on the ball, including friction, you can find the net force on it and use that to determine its trajectory. Pretty simple really.
 
Well, i got the trajectory of the ball without friction already, but i don't know how to add fluid friction simply because i don't know how to calculate it. Is there some kind of formula for fluid friction?
 
So...drag equation is:
D = Cd * r * .5 * V^2 * A
With:
Cd = Drag Coefficient
r = air density
V = velocity
A = reference area

To find the drag coefficient, the only thing it describes "The drag coefficient is a number that aerodynamicists use to model all of the complex dependencies of shape, inclination, and flow conditions on aircraft drag."

So I'm now confused on how to get the drag coefficient.
 
Drag coefficients are determined experimentally, and for some common shapes, e.g. a ball or sphere, the drag coefficient may be tabulated and available from a report or textbook.
 
Sh00b said:
So...drag equation is:
D = Cd * r * .5 * V^2 * A
With:
Cd = Drag Coefficient
r = air density
V = velocity
A = reference area

To find the drag coefficient, the only thing it describes "The drag coefficient is a number that aerodynamicists use to model all of the complex dependencies of shape, inclination, and flow conditions on aircraft drag."

So I'm now confused on how to get the drag coefficient.

Lump all the terms into one 'constant' - you can compute it more accurately later, then you have a relationship in v^2... Work this back into your equation/s of motion & you should be well on your way...

desA
 
The direction of the drag opposes the motion of the ball. That is it will be in the opposite direction of the velocity of the ball. Are you trying to solve it numerically or analytically?
 

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