Calculating Apparent Speeds of Objects at Light Speed

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The discussion revolves around calculating the apparent speeds of objects moving at relativistic speeds, specifically addressing the misconception of simply adding velocities when objects approach each other at significant fractions of the speed of light. The scope includes theoretical considerations of special relativity and practical implications of velocity addition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when two objects move towards each other at 75% the speed of light, the naive addition of their speeds would suggest an apparent speed of 150% the speed of light, which is not possible.
  • Another participant provides a relativistic formula for velocity addition, showing that the apparent speed from one object's perspective is actually 0.96c, not 1.5c.
  • Some participants argue that at low speeds, the simple addition of velocities is a reasonable approximation, but this breaks down at relativistic speeds where special relativity must be applied.
  • A participant mentions a previous calculation involving lower speeds, suggesting that the difference between relativistic and classical addition is negligible at human-scale speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants disagree on the validity of using simple addition of speeds at relativistic velocities, with some asserting the necessity of relativistic formulas while others argue for the sufficiency of classical methods at lower speeds. No consensus is reached regarding the best approach to velocity addition in all contexts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of classical mechanics when applied to relativistic speeds and the need for careful consideration of the conditions under which different models are applicable.

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I've noticed that when driving down a road, cars passing in the opposite direction appear to be going much faster than if viewed from a stationary position. I asked my friend how you could calculate how fast the other car appeared to be going and he said you just add your speed and the other car's speed.
I thought about this, and then had a question: if one object was going 75% the speed of light and an object going in the other direction was going 75% the speed of light as well, the apparent speed of the other object from the view of the first object would be 150% the speed of light. Since I know this is not possible, something has to change, but my friend is certain about his answer. What is the change?
 
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Your friend is wrong :)

If there are two ships, A and B, and they are traveling at .75c relative to a stationary observer C, then both A and B believe they are approaching the other at .96c. The formula is:

[tex]v=\frac{w - u}{1 - wu/c^{2}}[/tex]

in other words (btw, since we're using "natural units", we can simpify the speed of light to 1):

[tex]v=\frac{.75 - (-.75)}{1 - (.75(-.75))/1}[/tex]

Which simplified is:

[tex]v = \frac{1.5}{1.5625} = .96c[/tex]

More on this here:http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/velocity.html"

And here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=16948"
 
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well your friends is somewhat correct WRT very low speeds... when speed is fraction of c then galileo's works goes crashing and special relativity comes in.
 
you878 said:
he said you just add your speed and the other car's speed.

On another thread in the recent past, I posted the result of adding 60 MPH and 60 MPH using the full relativistic formula. It's so close to 120 MPH that a regular calculator won't show the difference. Try it yourself using the formula posted in this thread. See how the "normal" way is close enough at human scale speeds, and why it's silly to make it more complicated in this regime?
 

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