Calculating Arc Length of a Curve: y^2 = x^3, (1,-1) to (1,1)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the arc length of the curve defined by the equation y² = x³, specifically from the point (1, -1) to (1, 1). The correct formula for arc length involves the integral of the square root of the sum of 1 and the square of the derivative dy/dx. The participants identify that the integral should be evaluated with respect to y, leading to the conclusion that using the formula ∫ √(1 + (dx/dy)²) dy is necessary due to the improper nature of the integral when y = 0. The final answer for the arc length is confirmed to be (26√13 - 16)/27.

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Homework Statement


A curve has the equation y2 = x3. Find the length of the arc joining (1, - 1) to (1, 1).

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I took the integral of the distance and tried to evaluate from -1 to 1.
L = [intergral (-1 to 1) sqrt (1+(dy/dx x^3/23/2)2 dx]
Evaluated I got [integral (-1 to 1) sqrt (1+9x/4) dx]
1/27 [4+9x]3/2 ] exaluated from -1 to 1

I know the answer is supposed to be (26sqrt(13) - 16)/27 and mine is not coming out to that. Is there a mistake somewhere?
 
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The formatting in your first fomula looks broken.
Cassi said:
[integral (-1 to 1) sqrt (1+9x/4) dx]
This is undefined for some x and not symmetric in x, so the error has to be before that. It would help to see more steps of your work.
 
I presume you mean that the equation of the curve is y^2= x^3 (if you don't want to use "Latex", at least write it as y^2= x^3 to indicate the powers). You should know that the arclength is given by the integral \int \sqrt{1+ (dy/dx)^2} dx. Since y^2= x^3, 2y (dy/dx)= 3x^2 so that dy/dx= (3/2)(x^2/y)= (3/2)(x^2/(x^{3/2})= (3/2)x^{1/2}. So 1+ (dy/dx)= 1+ (9/4)x

mfb's complaint that "this I undefined for some x and not symmetric in x" does NOT apply because x is never negative. What is important (and may be what mfb was saying) is that x does NOT go from -1 to 1- it is y that goes from -1 to 1. You can do either of two things:
1- take the x- integral from 0 to 1 and double. (You can do that because the graph goes from x= 0 to 1 and is symmetric for y> 0 and y< 0.)

2- use \int \sqrt{1+ (dx/dy)}dy for the arclength instead. 2y= 3x^2 (dx/dy) so dx/dy= (2/3)(y/x^2)= (2/3)(y/y^{4/3})= (2/3)y^{-1/3}. (Since the integral from -1 to 1 contains y= 0, that is an "improper" integral, but converges.)
 
Ah right, y changes its sign. Well, you still have to pay attention to it in some way.
 
HallsofIvy said:
2- use \int \sqrt{1+ (dx/dy)}dy for the arclength instead.
\int \sqrt{1+ (dx/dy)^2}dy ?
 

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