Arc Length Circle Quadrant 1: Solve ∫√(1+(dy/dx)2)dx

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the arc length of a circle in the first quadrant, specifically for the equation x² + y² = a². Participants are exploring the integral for arc length, which is expressed as ∫ √(1 + (dy/dx)²) dx.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the process of deriving dy/dx from the circle's equation and substituting it into the arc length formula. There are questions about the integral setup and suggestions to consider trigonometric substitutions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into their attempts and others prompting for further clarification on the integral. There is no explicit consensus, but guidance has been offered regarding potential methods to simplify the integral.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the integral they have derived and mention not having used trigonometric substitution, which is suggested as a possible approach to move forward.

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Homework Statement


find the arc length of a circle in the first quadrant with an equation x2 + y2 = a2

Homework Equations


arc length = ∫ √(1 + (dy/dx)2) dx

The Attempt at a Solution


i got stuck on how to solve the integral
 
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adi adi said:

Homework Statement


find the arc length of a circle in the first quadrant with an equation x2 + y2 = a2

Homework Equations


arc length = ∫ √(1 + (dy/dx)2) dx

The Attempt at a Solution


i got stuck on how to solve the integral
Well, show us where you got stuck.

Did you calculate dy/dx for the arc of the circle, using its equation?
 
SteamKing said:
Well, show us where you got stuck.

Did you calculate dy/dx for the arc of the circle, using its equation?
yeah, i make the circle equation into y= √(a2-x2) , and then put it into the arc length equation.
the problem is i can't solve my integral equation.
 
You still didn't show the integral you want to solve and how you got it.

Did you try the usual trigonometric substitutions?
 
mfb said:
You still didn't show the integral you want to solve and how you got it.

Did you try the usual trigonometric substitutions?
first i derive my y=√(a2-x2) into y'= - x/√(a2-x2)
and then put it into arc length equation = ∫ √(1+(dy/dx)2) dx
resulting ∫ √(1+(- x/√(a2-x2))2) dx
and i got stuck there. i don't know how to solve my equation, and i didnt use trigonometric substitution
 
adi adi said:
and i didnt use trigonometric substitution
Then you should try that (after simplifying the expression a bit).
 

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