Calculating Ca2+ Weight Percentage Using EDTA Titration Method | Lab Help

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The discussion revolves around calculating the weight percentage of Ca2+ in an unknown sample using the EDTA titration method. Participants are exploring the relationship between the moles of EDTA used in the titration and the corresponding moles of Ca2+ in the unknown solution, as well as the necessary conversions related to the volume of the solution prepared.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the moles of Ca2+ based on the amount of EDTA used and questions whether this value needs to be adjusted for the total volume of the unknown solution prepared in a 250 mL volumetric flask.
  • Another participant suggests using the equation m1v1=m2v2 to find the moles of Ca2+ in the total 250 mL solution, questioning whether to use the moles directly or convert to concentration first.
  • A participant confirms the calculation of moles in the 250 mL solution and attempts to clarify the fraction of the total volume represented by the aliquot used for titration.
  • There is a correction regarding the multiplication factor used in the calculations, with one participant initially dividing by 10 instead of multiplying, leading to a revised calculation of moles in the total solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants are engaged in a detailed calculation process, but there is some confusion regarding the correct application of mathematical principles. There is no consensus on the final approach to calculating the weight percentage of Ca2+ as participants are still refining their calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on the correct interpretation of the relationship between the volumes and moles involved, and there are unresolved steps regarding the conversion of moles to weight percentage.

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My question is:
Using the average [EDTA], find the weight% of Ca2+ in the unknown

My attempt:

so, the[EDTA] i found from standardizing was 0.005 M;
I used 29.85mL to of EDTA to titrate my 25.00mL unknown
and the weight of my unknown used was 0.2505 g

this is what i did:
[EDTA] = 0.005M * 0.02985L = 1.489E-4 mol EDTA = mol Ca2+

so that is the moles of Ca2+ , my question is do I have to convert this moles to moles in 250mL, because the unknown was prepared in a 250mL volumetric flask, and only 25.00mL was taken out from that flask for titration. Does that mean 1.489E-4 moles (calculated above) is only the amount of moles in 25.00mL??

any help appreciated :P
 
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higherme said:
My question is:
Using the average [EDTA], find the weight% of Ca2+ in the unknown

My attempt:

so, the[EDTA] i found from standardizing was 0.005 M;
I used 29.85mL to of EDTA to titrate my 25.00mL unknown
and the weight of my unknown used was 0.2505 g

this is what i did:
[EDTA] = 0.005M * 0.02985L = 1.489E-4 mol EDTA = mol Ca2+

so that is the moles of Ca2+ , my question is do I have to convert this moles to moles in 250mL, because the unknown was prepared in a 250mL volumetric flask, and only 25.00mL was taken out from that flask for titration. Does that mean 1.489E-4 moles (calculated above) is only the amount of moles in 25.00mL??

any help appreciated :P

Of course!
 
so do i have to use m1v1=m2v2 to find the moles that is in 250mL

can i just use the number in moles for m1... or do i have to change it to concentration first

(1.489E-4 mol)(25.00mL) = m2 (250mL)
m2 = 1.489 E-5 moles in 250mL ?

this is the moles of Ca2+ in the unknown... i divide by the total weight of the unknown to find the % Ca2+
 
You are given the weight of the unknown as 0.2505. You dissolved this into 250 mL and analyzed a 25 mL aliquot of this unknown using 29.85 mL of 0.005 M EDTA.

You used 25 mL out of a solution of 250 mL. What fraction of 250 mL is 25 mL? That math is pretty simple.
 
so in 250mL i have 1.48E-4 mol

25 ml /250 ml = 0.1

0.1*1.48E-4 mol = 1.48E-5 mol... which will be the same as what i got using mv=mv
 
higherme said:
so in 250mL i have 1.48E-4 mol

25 ml /250 ml = 0.1

0.1*1.48E-4 mol = 1.48E-5 mol... which will be the same as what i got using mv=mv

Why are you doing this? Why did you DIVIDE by 10! Is there 1/10 as much in 250 mL as there is in 25 mL?
 
oh oops.. should be times 10... 1.48E-4 moles * 250/25 = 1.48E-3 moles
 

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