EDTA Titration calculation overlook needed

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The discussion revolves around the calculations involved in an EDTA titration experiment to determine the concentrations of Al2(SO4)3 and NiSO4 in a diluted solution. Participants analyze the calculations presented, focusing on stoichiometry and the interpretation of results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the moles of EDTA and the resulting concentrations of Al2(SO4)3 and NiSO4, seeking confirmation of their calculations and significant figures.
  • Another participant points out that the moles calculated for Al3+ should not be directly equated to Al2(SO4)3, highlighting the need for stoichiometric conversion.
  • A correction is suggested regarding the mass calculation for Al2(SO4)3, indicating that the relationship between Al2(SO4)3 and Al3+ must be considered, as two moles of Al3+ correspond to one mole of Al2(SO4)3.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the terminology used, expressing confusion over terms like Al+ and Al2, and critiques the approach taken in the calculations.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of mass concentrations when scaling from a smaller volume to a larger one, suggesting that the calculations may not be straightforward.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations presented. There are multiple competing views regarding the correct interpretation of stoichiometry and the resulting mass concentrations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and relationships between the species involved in the titration, particularly regarding the stoichiometric coefficients and their implications for the calculations. There are also unresolved issues concerning the accuracy of mass conversions and scaling from aliquots to total concentrations.

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Homework Statement



25.00 Ml sample of a solution of Al_2(SO4)3 and NiSO4 was diluted to 500.0 mL and the Al^3+ and Ni^2+ in a 25.00 mL aliquat were complexed by addition of 40.00 mL of 0.01175 M EDTA in a pH 4.8 buffer.

The excess EDTA was then back titrated with 10.07 mL of 0.00993 M Cu^2+. an excess of F- was then added to the solution to displace the EDTA that was bouned to the Al^3+. This liberated EDTA consumed 26.30 mL of 0.00993 M Cu^2+.

Calculate the mg/ml of Al2(SO4)3 (342.17 g/mol) and NiSO4 (154.75 g/mol) in the sample


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Calculate moles EDTA = [tex]0.040 L * 0.01175 M = 0.0047[/tex] mol EDTA

Calculate moles of Excess EDTA [tex]0.01007 L * 0.00993 M = .000099995[/tex] moles excess EDTA

Calculate Moles EDTA reacted with [tex]Al^{3+}[/tex] and [tex]Ni^{2+}[/tex] = [tex]0.0047 - .000099995 = 0.00037[/tex] mol total EDTA used

Moles [tex]Al^{3+}[/tex] comsumed = [tex]0.02630 L * 0.00993 M = 0.00026[/tex] moles [tex]AL^{3+}[/tex] consumed

moles [tex]Ni^{2+}[/tex] consumed = 0.00037 mol EDTA - 0.00026 mol Mol [tex]Al^{3+}[/tex] = 0.00011 mol [tex]Ni^{2+}[/tex]

Calculate mass [tex]Al_2(SO_4)_3[/tex] = [tex]0.00026 mol * 342.17 g/m[/tex] = 0.08896 grams = 8.896 mg

Calculate mass [tex]NiSO_4[/tex] = [tex]0.00011 mol * 154.75[/tex]g/m = 0.01702 g = 1.702 mg

Mg/Ml [tex]Al_2(SO_4)_3[/tex] = 8.896/25.00 = 0.3558 mg/ml

Mg/Ml [tex]NiSO_4[/tex] = 1.702/25.00 = 0.0681 mg/ml

Do my calculations look correct? sig figs? If so I think I am getting the hang of this stuff
 
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Not bad, but not perfect either.

0.00026 moles of Al3+, not Al2(SO4).

You took 25/500 of the original sample.

0.017 g is not 1.7 mg
 
Borek said:
Not bad, but not perfect either.

0.00026 moles of Al3+, not Al2(SO4).

You took 25/500 of the original sample.

0.017 g is not 1.7 mg

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Calculate moles EDTA = [tex]0.040 L * 0.01175 M = 0.0047[/tex] mol EDTA

Calculate moles of Excess EDTA [tex]0.01007 L * 0.00993 M = .000099995[/tex] moles excess EDTA

Calculate Moles EDTA reacted with [tex]Al^{3+}[/tex] and [tex]Ni^{2+}[/tex] = [tex]0.0047 - .000099995 = 0.00037[/tex] mol total EDTA used

Moles [tex]Al^{3+}[/tex] comsumed = [tex]0.02630 L * 0.00993 M = 0.00026[/tex] moles [tex]AL^{3+}[/tex] consumed

moles [tex]Ni^{2+}[/tex] consumed = 0.00037 mol EDTA - 0.00026 mol Mol [tex]Al^{3+}[/tex] = 0.00011 mol [tex]Ni^{2+}[/tex]

CORRECTION step:
Convert moles [tex]Al_2(SO_4)_3[/tex] into moles [tex]Al^+[/tex]
[tex]Al_2 ----> 2Al^+ + 2e^-[/tex] therefore there is one mole of [tex]Al_2(SO_4)_3[/tex] for every 2 moles of [tex]Al^+[/tex]

Calculate mass [tex]Al_2(SO_4)_3[/tex] = [tex](0.00026* mol *Al^+) (\frac {1 mol Al_2(SO_4)_3} {2 mol Al^+} )* (342.17 g/m)[/tex] = 0.04448 grams = 44.48 mg

Calculate mass [tex]NiSO_4[/tex] = [tex]0.00011 mol * 154.75[/tex]g/m = 0.01702 g = 17.02 mg

If there were 44.48 mg [tex]Al_2(SO_4)_3[/tex] in 25.00 mL then there are 889.6 mg [tex]Al_2(SO_4)_3[/tex] in 500 mL

And if there were 17.02 mg [tex]NiSO_4[/tex] in 25.00 mL then there are 34.04 mg [tex]NiSO_4[/tex] in 500 mL

Mg/Ml [tex]Al_2(SO_4)_3[/tex] = 889.6 mg / 500.0 ml = 1.779 mg/ml

Mg/Ml [tex]NiSO_4[/tex] = 34.04/500.0 = 0.6808 mg/ml
 
What is Al+? Where did you get it from? And what for? And what is Al2? And this redox reaction... Sorry, but it looks like you are trying to solve titration questions having no idea about the most basic ideas.

17.02 in 25 doesn't mean 34.04 in 500.

Note: I am not checking everything, I am not calculating everything by myself, I am just writing about things obvious enough to be spotted at the first sight.

Too much spoonfeeding.
 

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