Calculating CFM from 800 PSI Air Supply

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The discussion revolves around calculating the cubic feet per minute (CFM) of air flow from an 800 PSI air supply through a 1-foot diameter pipe. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, assumptions about pressure conditions, and the implications of choked flow.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating CFM from an 800 PSI air supply through a 1-foot pipe.
  • Another participant references a previous thread and suggests using Bernoulli's equation, proposing that CFM can be calculated using the formula: CFM = area of pipe * sqrt(2*Pressure/density).
  • A different participant argues that 800 PSI exceeds the choke pressure for air, indicating that Bernoulli's equation may not apply and raises the importance of knowing the outlet pressure and the system's configuration.
  • One participant calculates the speed of sound in the context of the problem and provides a formula for CFM based on the assumption of choked flow, arriving at a CFM value of 52500.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of Bernoulli's equation at high pressures, with some suggesting it can be used under certain conditions while others argue it cannot. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the air system and the assumptions involved in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the outlet pressure and the configuration of the air system, which may affect the calculations and applicability of the proposed formulas.

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If I have an unlimited air supply with 800 PSI and fed through a 1' pipe how do I calculate the CFM
 
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I believe thie thread provides the answer you are looking for:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=129961

In particular post #3:
Assuming no change in height, the pressure would be equal to 1/2 the density * (velocity of air) squared, or velocity = sqrt (2*Pressure/density) and flow rate equals velocity times cross sectional area, so cfm = area of pipe * sqrt (2*Pressure/density)
 
800 psi is way above the choke pressure for air, so no form of Bernoulli's equation will apply (that version is only good up to a few hundred fpm) and the max velocity is the speed of sound.

However, these questions almost always gloss over the issue of the outlet pressure: is this really 800psi air being released to atmosphere (an extremely unusual scenario) or is it being transported through a pipe to a regulator to use at 100psi? It is much more likely the actual pressure drop is only a few psi to deliver the high pressure air to a load...

...so we need more information about what this system is doing. Where is the air going?
 
If you are talking about air flowing only through a straight smooth (no friction) pipe then it would go a little something like this.

We can assume that 800psi is well above choked pressure as russ_waters has said. This means your air can only go as fast as the speed of sound.

speed of sound = sqrt(kRT) in this case I will use 1115 feet/sec.

We already know the diameter of the pipe so it becomes an easy problem.

CFM = pi()*(diameter/2)^2*(speed of sound)*(60sec/min)

CFM = 52500
 

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