Air Compressor Pressure vs CFM vs SCFM

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between CFM (Cubic Feet per Minute), SCFM (Standard Cubic Feet per Minute), and pressure in the context of air compressors. Participants explore how these metrics interact, particularly when adjusting pressure using a pressure relief valve (PRV) and the implications for air volume output.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving an air compressor rated at 250 CFM at 8 bar and questions the output when pressure is reduced to 1 bar using a PRV.
  • Another participant clarifies the meaning of SCFM, noting its importance for comparing compressors due to differences in inlet and outlet CFM and the effect of pressure on these values.
  • A later reply suggests that reducing pressure allows air to expand, potentially increasing volume, but emphasizes that the assumption of isothermal conditions may not hold in practice.
  • Additional advice is given regarding the quality of compressed air, highlighting the need for moisture control in high-precision applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the effects of pressure changes on CFM and SCFM, with some agreeing on the principles of air expansion while others raise concerns about practical implications and assumptions. No consensus is reached on the specific outcomes of the scenario presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the calculations assume isothermal conditions, which may not accurately reflect real-world scenarios where temperature changes occur during compression and expansion.

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So my boss hook me up with the Compressed Air Calculations which we never did previously at our workplace.
So started researching about the subject and designed a Compressed air system.
The only thing i am not sure about now here is the relation between CFM vs SCFM vs Pressure.

Let us take an Example:
An Air compressor of 250 CFM @ 8 bar(FAD) pressure outlet roughly translates to 2114.93 SCFM at 30 deg Air Temp.

Now if i want the Air at 1 bar atmospheric pressure at the outlet for some reason, will i get 2114.93 CFM from the Compressor if we use PRV to reduce the pressure.

I used TLV toolbox for the Air Compressor Calculations.
 
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Welcome to PF!

You didn't actually ask any questions there, but it looks like you discovered by accident that the "S" in SCFM stands for "Standard" (as in standard temperature and pressure). SCFM is useful because:
1. The inlet and outlet CFM of a compressor are different.
2. The pressure at which a compressor is rated affects the CFM but not (necessarily) the SCFM. So using SCFM makes it easier to compare different compressors.
 
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russ_watters said:
Welcome to PF!

You didn't actually ask any questions there, but it looks like you discovered by accident that the "S" in SCFM stands for "Standard" (as in standard temperature and pressure). SCFM is useful because:
1. The inlet and outlet CFM of a compressor are different.
2. The pressure at which a compressor is rated affects the CFM but not (necessarily) the SCFM. So using SCFM makes it easier to compare different compressors.

Thanks for the reply russ_watters.

The only thing that is giving me hard time here is will the air compressor give me 2114.93 CFM at the outlet if we use a PRV to reduce the pressure from 8 bar to 1 bar(a).
I mean to say will the CFM increase if we reduce the pressure at outlet
 
Shariq Qazi said:
I mean to say will the CFM increase if we reduce the pressure at outlet
Certainly: when you pressurize air, you reduce its volume and therefore when you de-pressurize air you are allowing it to expand and increase its volume.

An important caveat is that the air is treated as isothermal (constant temperature) in these problems, but the actual path the air takes does involve temperature changes. That may have to be taken into account depending on the specifics of your application.
 
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also adding to what Russ said ( he is always the top notch advisor here)
make sure the quality of the compressed air is what you want. If you have a high precision instrument the compressed air is running, and you have a lot of moisture in the air, you will have longevity problems. You may need an air dryer added to the system as well.
 
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Thank you so much Russ and Mike.
It was indeed very helpful.
I shall update you'll about my project when i complete the entire design.
:smile:
 

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