Calculating Changes in Earth-Sun Distance with Varying Sun Mass

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The discussion revolves around calculating the relative change in the distance of the Earth from the Sun if the Sun's mass is reduced by 15%. The problem is situated within the context of gravitational forces and angular momentum in circular motion.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational force and centrifugal force, questioning how a decrease in the Sun's mass affects the Earth's distance from it. There is a focus on the conservation of angular momentum and its implications for the Earth's speed and distance.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the results, particularly why a lighter Sun would lead to a closer Earth. Others seek clarification on the concepts involved, indicating a productive exploration of the underlying physics principles.

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There is an emphasis on maintaining angular momentum, and participants are grappling with the implications of this conservation law in the context of changing mass. The original poster expresses doubt about their conclusions, prompting further inquiry into the assumptions made.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the relative change in the distance of the Earth from the Sun, if the mass of the Sun is 15% lower than today weight of the Sun. Suppose that the Earth moves and will move along a circular path and will maintain its angular momentum.


Homework Equations


Equality of gravitational and centrifugal forces.


The Attempt at a Solution


For mass of the Sun today:
Valid for Earth: The centrifugal force = gravitational force
m_e*(v)^2/r=κ*m_e*m_s/(r)^2
(v)^2=κ*m_s/r


For mass of the Sun when is 15% lower than today weight of the Sun:
Valid for Earth: The centrifugal force = gravitational force
Mass and velocity of the Earth does not change because it does not change angular momentum.
m_e*(v)^2/r_1=κ*0,85m_s*m_e*/(r_1)^2
(v)^2=κ*0,85m_s/r_1

Equal squares of velocities:
κ*m_s/r=κ*0,85m_s/r_1
1/r=0,85/r_1

When is r=1 AU, then r_1=0,85AU

Why? I think it's stupid. Why the Earth is closer to the Sun, when the Sun is lighter? I think must be the Earth from the Sun farther, because the gravitational effects diminish. Why my ideas don't coincide with the results? How would you counted it?

Thanks very much.
 
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Numeriprimi said:

Homework Statement


Calculate the relative change in the distance of the Earth from the Sun, if the mass of the Sun is 15% lower than today weight of the Sun. Suppose that the Earth moves and will move along a circular path and will maintain its angular momentum.


Homework Equations


Equality of gravitational and centrifugal forces.


The Attempt at a Solution


For mass of the Sun today:
Valid for Earth: The centrifugal force = gravitational force
m_e*(v)^2/r=κ*m_e*m_s/(r)^2
(v)^2=κ*m_s/r


For mass of the Sun when is 15% lower than today weight of the Sun:
Valid for Earth: The centrifugal force = gravitational force
Mass and velocity of the Earth does not change because it does not change angular momentum.
m_e*(v)^2/r_1=κ*0,85m_s*m_e*/(r_1)^2
(v)^2=κ*0,85m_s/r_1

Equal squares of velocities:
κ*m_s/r=κ*0,85m_s/r_1
1/r=0,85/r_1

When is r=1 AU, then r_1=0,85AU

Why? I think it's stupid. Why the Earth is closer to the Sun, when the Sun is lighter? I think must be the Earth from the Sun farther, because the gravitational effects diminish. Why my ideas don't coincide with the results? How would you counted it?

Thanks very much.

The angular momentum is mvr. The product of the radius and speed is unchanged.


ehild
 
Sorry, but I do not understand you too much. Please, could you explain to me what to fix to make it right in great detail?
 
The speed of Earth (v) changes. Conservation of angular momentum means that mer v is conserved.

ehild
 
Well, I get it, thank you very much :-)
 

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