Calculating Cross Section: Is (1-\gamma^5) Same as (1-\gamma_5)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential differences between the notations (1-\gamma^5) and (1-\gamma_5) in the context of calculating cross sections in particle physics. Participants explore the implications of using these notations interchangeably and their definitions in various texts.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether there is a difference between (1-\gamma^5) and (1-\gamma_5), noting their interchangeable use in calculations.
  • One participant suggests using the definitions of \gamma^5 and \gamma_{\mu} based on the Minkowski metric to clarify the issue.
  • Another participant points out that different texts, such as Perkins and Halzen & Martin, use \gamma_5 and \gamma^5 respectively, leading to confusion about their interchangeability.
  • It is noted that the indices in \gamma^5 and \gamma_5 do not represent Lorentz indices, implying they may be equivalent in meaning.
  • One participant references definitions from various sources, indicating that while some definitions differ by a sign, the core definitions of \gamma^5 and \gamma_5 are consistent across texts.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding that \gamma_5 can be expressed as a scalar, specifically a pseudoscalar, which may affect its use in calculations.
  • There is a mention of the relevance of dimensional regularization and how it relates to the definitions of \gamma^5 and \gamma_5.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether (1-\gamma^5) and (1-\gamma_5) are the same, with some asserting they are equivalent while others highlight the potential for differences based on conventions used in various texts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interchangeability of these notations.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different conventions and definitions from various texts, indicating that the discussion is influenced by the specific contexts in which these notations are used. There is also mention of potential errors arising from mixing conventions from different sources.

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Is there a difference between [tex](1-\gamma^5)[/tex] and [tex](1-\gamma_5)[/tex] ? I see the two used interchangeably when calculating cross section.
 
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Try using:

[tex] \gamma^5 \equiv i \gamma^0 \gamma^1 \gamma^2 \gamma^3[/tex]
and
[tex] \gamma_{\mu} = \eta_{\mu \nu} \gamma^{\nu}[/tex]

where [itex]\eta_{\mu \nu}[/itex] is the Minkowski metric.
 
Well, Perkins 3rd edition page 383 gives the amplitude using [tex]\gamma_5[/tex] while Halzen and Martin calculates the amplitude using [tex]\gamma^5[/tex] on equation 12.56
I'm not sure why they could be interchanged.
 
indigojoker said:
Well, Perkins 3rd edition page 383 gives the amplitude using [tex]\gamma_5[/tex] while Halzen and Martin calculates the amplitude using [tex]\gamma^5[/tex] on equation 12.56
I'm not sure why they could be interchanged.
You will not be able to find all answers to all questions in books. Try to do the calculation by yourself as indicated earlier, it is much more rewarding.
 
The "try the calculation" advice is good. You will see that every time that a covariant index occurs, a contravariant index also occurs, so when you contract them you get a scalar. Exactly which indices go up and which go down is a matter of convention.

Picking pieces out of different books - which may use different conventions - is a recipe for making errors.
 
indigojoker said:
Is there a difference between [tex](1-\gamma^5)[/tex] and [tex](1-\gamma_5)[/tex] ? I see the two used interchangeably when calculating cross section.

I have no idea what the other posters have in mind...

As far as I know, [tex]\gamma^5[/tex] and [tex]\gamma_5[/tex] are exactly the same thing. The 5 here is not a Lorentz index so there is no meaning to having it upstairs or downstairs.

for example, nachtmann (Elementary particle physics) defines

[tex]\gamma_5 = i \gamma^0 \gamma^1 \gamma^2 \gamma^3[/tex]

Peskin defines [tex]\gamma^5[/tex] exactly the same way.

(But Donoghue et al have a minus sign in the definition)



An important point is that one may write gamma_5 as

[tex]\gamma_5 = \frac{i}{4!} ~\epsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} \gamma^\mu \gamma^\nu \gamma^\rho \gamma^\sigma[/tex]
which shows clearly that gamma_5 is a scalar. (well, a pseudoscalar to be more precise since it reverses sign under a reflection in space).
 
nrqed said:
An important point is that one may write gamma_5 as

[tex]\gamma_5 = \frac{i}{4!} ~\epsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} \gamma^\mu \gamma^\nu \gamma^\rho \gamma^\sigma[/tex]

It is really important definition if you use dimensional regularization (dimensionality of space-time is [tex]d[/tex]) where

[tex]\eta_{\mu \nu} \gamma^{ \mu } \gamma^{ \nu } = d[/tex]
 

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