Calculating Current Requirement for Heating 10,000 Liters of Water in 24 Hours

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the current requirement for an electrical immersion heater intended to heat 10,000 liters of water from 24°C to 30°C within a 24-hour period. The specific heat of water is provided, and the participants are engaged in verifying calculations related to energy transfer and current requirements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of energy gained using the formula Q=mc(Delta)T, with some questioning the accuracy of the specific heat value used and the conversion of units. There are attempts to clarify whether the specific heat should be in joules or kilojoules and whether the mass of water should be treated in kilograms or grams.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with some participants providing corrections and clarifications regarding unit conversions. While some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the final correctness of the calculations, indicating a productive dialogue.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the specific heat of water and its application in the calculations. There is a focus on ensuring that all units align correctly for accurate results.

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Homework Statement



Electrical Immersion heater unit
Needs to heat 10,000 litres of water from 24 Degrees C to 30 Degrees C in 24 hours
Heater is connected to 240 V.

Specific heat of the water 4.19 kJ kg-1 °C-1 and the energy gained by water is calculated from the formula Q=mc(Delta)T.

What is the current requirement of the heater (ignore energy losses from the water while heating?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt

Energy gained = (10,000)(4.19)(30-24)
Energy gained = 251,400 J


Next P = w/t
251,400 J/ 86400 sec (24hours)
P = 2.9 Watts

Next I = P/V
I = 2.9 / 240
I = 0.012 A


Can you please confirm my understanding.

Many thanks Petra d.
 
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You dropped a kJ there on your way to figuring watts.
 
Hi there

Many thanks for the reply. To clarify, are you saying that the terminology is incorrect, or the calculation is incorrect.

Is the end result correct? Thanks Petra d.


LowlyPion said:
You dropped a kJ there on your way to figuring watts.
 
Hi there again

Are you saying that the 251,400 J should have been 251.4 kJ

Then the calculation would be

P= 2.91 x 10-3 watts

then

I = 1.21 x 10-5 A

Cheers Petra d.
 
I'm observing that you said:
Specific heat of the water 4.19 kJ kg-1 °C-1


Yet in your calculation used 4.19 per liter.
 
Hi LP

Im not sure that I understand your last response. I don't think that I have converted the specific heat to litres?

Cheers Petra d.
 
Energy gained = (10,000)(4.19)(30-24)
Energy gained = 251,400 J

This is not correct.

The specific heat required to raise a liter of water 1 degree is 4190 not 4.19.
 
Hi there

m = 10,000 litres of water (should I have converted this to grams also or left as kg?)

c = 4.19 kJ kg-1 Degree C -1 (should I have converted that to grams? then I would get the 4190 as you have susggested).

Delta T = this is okay - this is clear to me.

Im just getting confused with the specific heat part.

Cheers Petra d.
 
Hi there

4.19 kilojoule/kilogram/°C = 4190 joule/kilogram/°C

So the original specific heat is in kJ kg C and I am converting it to j kg to then align with the mass of the water 10,000 litres = 10,000kg to then get a J final answer.

Energy gained = (10,000)(4190)(6) = 251400000 J

P = w/t = 251400000/86400 sec = 2909.7222222

I = P/V = 2909.72/240v = 12.12 A

I think I am closer?

Cheers Petra d.
 
  • #10
Specific heat is just a formula.

You have to be careful with units for any equation you use. It would have been helpful if you remembered that a liter of water was a kg. And of course had you not dropped the kJ/kg part of the constant for water.

Usually it is best to convert to SI units in most all events.

Your answer is greater by a factor of 1000. I should hope you are closer.
 
  • #11
Can you let me know if this is now closer or correct?

Cheers Petra d.
 
  • #12
zebra1707 said:
Can you let me know if this is now closer or correct?

Cheers Petra d.

Yes it looks correct.

Sorry for being less than clear.
 
  • #13
Thank you very much LP, all your assistance has been extremely valuable.

It is greatly appreciated. Cheers Petra d.

:biggrin:
 

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