Calculating Curvature of 3D Hyperboloid - Parameters & Extrinsic Curvature

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the curvature of a 3D hyperboloid, focusing on both intrinsic and extrinsic curvature. Participants explore the necessary parameters and methods for these calculations, touching on concepts from differential geometry.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the parameters needed to calculate the intrinsic curvature of a 3D hyperboloid and suggests that a curvature radius might suffice for extrinsic curvature.
  • Another participant proposes writing down a parametrization to embed the 3-hyperboloid into R^4 and calculating the induced metric as the pullback of the standard R^4 metric.
  • There is a suggestion to calculate intrinsic curvature using the induced metric and a mention of a shortcut involving the pullback of the R^4 connection, noting the need to account for an extra term during this process.
  • A later reply emphasizes that intrinsic curvature is represented by a tensor (the Riemann curvature tensor) with multiple independent components for 3D manifolds, and mentions the possibility of calculating several radii of curvature to derive the Ricci scalar.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a simpler explanation of these concepts, indicating a lack of familiarity with differential geometry terminology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various methods and perspectives on calculating curvature, but there is no consensus on a singular approach or understanding, particularly regarding the complexity of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, with one expressing uncertainty about the details of calculating the Ricci scalar and the implications of the Riemann curvature tensor.

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How can I calculate the curvature of a 3D hyperboloid? I mean, what parameters do I need to calculate the intrinsic curvature?
I guess to calculate the extrinsic curvature as seen from a 4D space I would just need a curvature radius, right?

Thanks
 
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First write down a parametrization to embed the 3-hyperboloid into R^4.

Then calculate the induced metric on the 3-hyperboloid. This is simply the pullback of the standard R^4 metric with respect to the embedding map.

Once you have the induced metric, you can calculate intrinsic curvature in the standard way.Note: If you're feeling adventurous, you can take a shortcut by calculating the pullback of the R^4 connection to directly get the connection on the 3-hyperboloid. This would be the most efficient way to do it if you are using the Cartan formalism. But you have to remember that when you pull back connections, there is an extra term (similar to transforming a connection under coordinate transformations).
 
Ben Niehoff said:
First write down a parametrization to embed the 3-hyperboloid into R^4.

Then calculate the induced metric on the 3-hyperboloid. This is simply the pullback of the standard R^4 metric with respect to the embedding map.

Once you have the induced metric, you can calculate intrinsic curvature in the standard way.


Note: If you're feeling adventurous, you can take a shortcut by calculating the pullback of the R^4 connection to directly get the connection on the 3-hyperboloid. This would be the most efficient way to do it if you are using the Cartan formalism. But you have to remember that when you pull back connections, there is an extra term (similar to transforming a connection under coordinate transformations).

Thanks a lot for your response.
I deduce from the above that I asked something whose answer I should have supposed would be way out of my league since I didn't warn that I don't know about differential geometry.
Is there a way to explain it in plain english for someone who just have basic notions of geometry? without words like embed, connection or pullback?
I know it is not likely that it is possible but maybe somebody want to try.
Thanks.
 
In general the intrinsic curvature of a Riemannian manifold at a point isn't a single number, but in general a tensor (called the Riemann curvature tensor). It just happens that for 2D surfaces, this tensor only has one independent component, which is related to the Gaussian curvature. But for 3D manifolds, there are 6 independent components (although you can reduce this down to the Ricci tensor or further to the Ricci scalar, to get a single number. In the 2D case, the Ricci scalar is twice the Gaussian curvature.)

I suspect that you could calculate several radii of curvature to obtain the Ricci scalar. (I don't know any details.)
 
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