Calculating distance, angle bet. velocity and acceleration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance and the angle between velocity and acceleration in a physics context, specifically relating to motion described by angular parameters. The original poster attempts to clarify the relationship between displacement and distance, as well as the significance of the angle between velocity and acceleration.

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  • Participants explore the validity of approximations in calculating distance under certain conditions and question the physical significance of the angle between velocity and acceleration.

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Some participants provide feedback on the equations presented, while others engage in questioning the assumptions and implications of the angle between velocity and acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts without a clear consensus on the significance of the angle.

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Participants note potential confusion between displacement and distance, as well as the notation used for variables, which may affect clarity in communication. The original problem does not specify conditions for approximations, leaving some assumptions open for discussion.

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A) [/B]

s = √[(x2) + (y2 ) ]= a√[2(1- cos (ωt) ) ]|t= Γ

The book says, s = aωΓ

What I can do is ,
For very small Γ i.e. ωΓ<<1 , cos (ωΓ) ≈ 1 - {(ωΓ)2}/2

Then , I get,
s = aωΓBut, in question it is not given that ωΓ<<1. So, is it correct to do this approximation?

B)

In many questions, Irodov asks to find out the angle between velocity and acceleration.
Does this angle have any physical significance?
I mean if I know this angle what can I tell about the motion?
Why is one supposed to know this angle?
 
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Your equation for distance traversed is wrong. It should read ds2=dx2+dy2, not s2=x2+y2.
 
haruspex said:
Your equation for distance traversed is wrong. It should read ds2=dx2+dy2, not s2=x2+y2.
Thanks.

Learning , I should be careful while calculating magnitude of the displacement or distance. There is a tendency to get confused between the two.O.K. So, s is the magnitude of the displacement traveled in time Γ.

ds2 = dx2+dy2

dx = aω cos(ωt) dt

dy = aω sin(ωt) dt

dx2 = (dx) (dx) = [ aω cos(ωt)]2 (dt)2
dy2 = (dy) (dy) = [ aω sin(ωt)]2 (dt)2

ds2 = [ aω ]2 (dt)2

ds = aω dt

0s ds = aω ∫0Γ dt

s = aωΓ
And for ωΓ <<1,the distance is approximately equal to the displacement.

Is this solution correct?
 
Pushoam said:
Thanks.

Learning , I should be careful while calculating magnitude of the displacement or distance. There is a tendency to get confused between the two.O.K. So, s is the magnitude of the displacement traveled in time Γ.

ds2 = dx2+dy2

dx = aω cos(ωt) dt

dy = aω sin(ωt) dt

dx2 = (dx) (dx) = [ aω cos(ωt)]2 (dt)2
dy2 = (dy) (dy) = [ aω sin(ωt)]2 (dt)2

ds2 = [ aω ]2 (dt)2

ds = aω dt

0s ds = aω ∫0Γ dt

s = aωΓ
And for ωΓ <<1,the distance is approximately equal to the displacement.

Is this solution correct?
Yes. (But the original uses ##\tau##, Greek lowercase tau, which you are writing as ##\Gamma##, Greek uppercase gamma.)
 
haruspex said:
(But the original uses ττ\tau, Greek lowercase tau, which you are writing as ΓΓ\Gamma, Greek uppercase gamma.)

Thanks for this, too, as earlier I thought both Γ and τ are tau's.
 
Pushoam said:
Thanks for this, too, as earlier I thought both Γ and τ are tau's.
Uppercase tau is indistinguishable from T.
 
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Pushoam said:
In many questions, Irodov asks to find out the angle between velocity and acceleration.
Does this angle have any physical significance?
I mean if I know this angle what can I tell about the motion?
Why is one supposed to know this angle?

What about this question?
 
Pushoam said:
What about this question?
Not sure that the angle has any general meaning in itself. Certainly you can say interesting things about the extreme cases (collinear and orthogonal), and likewise regarding the sine and cosine of the angle.
 
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