Calculating Distance Change of Plane from Radar Station

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The discussion revolves around a problem in calculus related to the rate of change of distance from a plane flying at a constant altitude to a radar station as it approaches directly overhead. The plane's altitude is 1.5 miles, and it travels at a speed of 400 mph, with the specific scenario focusing on when the plane is 2.5 miles from the radar station.

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  • Participants discuss the geometric representation of the problem, identifying it as a right triangle and attempting to derive relevant equations. There are questions about the correct interpretation of distances and the relationships between the sides of the triangle. Some participants express uncertainty about the values they have calculated and the differentiation process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the differentiation of the equation relating the sides of the triangle. There is acknowledgment of correct calculations, but also suggestions to reconsider the setup and the relationships between the variables involved. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Q) a plane is flying horizontally at an altitude of 1.5 miles and a speed of 400 mph. it is on a linear path that will take it directly over a radar station. find the rate at which the distance from the plane to the radar station is changing when the plane is exactly 2.5 miles from the station.

I know the answer is -320 mph, but i don't know how to get it.
 
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Have you drawn a diagram yet? If not, do so and figure out what kind of shape you are dealing with. Then you can see what distance you need to find and derive the equations from there.
 
Its a triangle, and i got the distance as 2.915? If that's right, I still don't know what to do from there
 
jpc90 said:
Its a triangle, and i got the distance as 2.915? If that's right, I still don't know what to do from there

Notice that the triangle is a right triangle and two of those sides are changing in length. What equation relates these lengths to each other? What process evaluates the rate of change? Use it on the equation and substitute in the instantaneous values given in your problem.
 
Well, I don't think you've solved for the right value. The hypotenuse is the distance from the plane to the station, right? That means that it has the value of 2.5 at that time. In other words, the x-component is not 2.5. Also, think about the equation that you're using and how it relates all of the pieces of info that you are given.
 
ok, so the distance is; 2.5^2= 1.5^2 + D^2
d=2
 
Yeah, that's right. Now do what AEM said.
 
1.5dy/dt + 2.5dx/dt= 2dr/dt
1.5(0) +2.5dx/dt= 2(-400)
2.5(dx/dt)=-800
dx/dt= -800/2.5 = -320

?
 
jpc90 said:
1.5dy/dt + 2.5dx/dt= 2dr/dt
1.5(0) +2.5dx/dt= 2(-400)
2.5(dx/dt)=-800
dx/dt= -800/2.5 = -320

?

Well, you got the right answer but your equations are a little backwards. First of all, since y is a constant value of 1.5, not 5, you can plug it in before you differentiate. Second, remember that the velocity of the plane is in the x direction, not along the hypotenuse of the triangle.

1. x^2 + y^2 = r^2
2. x^2 + (1.5)^2 = r^2
3. 2(x)(dx/dt) = 2(r)(dr/dt)
4. 2(2)(-400) = 2(2.5)(dr/dt)
5. -1600 = 5(dr/dt)
6. (dr/dt) = -320
 
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jpc90 said:
Q) a plane is flying horizontally at an altitude of 1.5 miles and a speed of 400 mph. it is on a linear path that will take it directly over a radar station. find the rate at which the distance from the plane to the radar station is changing when the plane is exactly 2.5 miles from the station.

I know the answer is -320 mph, but i don't know how to get it.

Let's start over. You're going about this poorly. We'll put the radar station at our origin, let the vertical direction be y and the horizontal direction be x. Let the direct distance of the plane from the radar station along (the hypotenuse) be s. Then

s^2 = x^2 + y^2

When you differentiate this equation with respect to time, keeping in mind that y is a constant, you get

2 s \frac{ds}{dt} = 2 x \frac{dx}{dt}

Notice that the derivative of y with respect to t is zero. This step must be done before you substitute in numbers. Cancel off the common factor of 2. Figure out what values to substitute in for s, x, and dx/dt and you've got it. Remember: do not substitute values into your equation before you differentiate otherwise you mak make the mistake of treating something as a constant that isn't. You might want to think about why the answer is negative.
 

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