Calculating Distance in Two Different Methods

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The original poster attempts to calculate the distance to Sirius using two different methods based on provided apparent and absolute magnitudes. The problem involves understanding the relationship between these magnitudes and distance, particularly in the context of stellar parallax.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants suggest using the formula for absolute magnitude to recalculate apparent magnitudes when the positions of the Sun and Sirius are interchanged. Others raise questions about the implications of using different forms of the distance equation and the necessary conversions between parsecs and light-years.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the equations related to magnitudes and distance. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the definitions of apparent and absolute magnitudes, as well as the relationship between distance and parallax. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of logarithmic properties and the conversion of units.

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There is mention of the need to convert distances from parsecs to light-years, and some confusion exists regarding the different forms of the distance equations used in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Show that we can calculate the distance of Sirius from us (in Ly) from the above data by two different methods.

If the positions of the Sun and Sirius are interchanged, what will be the m and M values of each?

Sun: m = -26.4; M = +4.6
Sirius: m = -1.4; M = +1.4



Homework Equations


M = m + 5 - 5logd
I = L/4pi d^2
I₁/I₂ = L₁/L₂
(d₂/d₁)^2



The Attempt at a Solution


M = m + 5logd
1.4 = -1.4 + 5 - 5logd
1.4 + 1.4 = 5 - 5logd
2.8 = 5 - 5logd
2.8 - 5 = -5logd
-2.2 = -5logd
-2.2/-5 = logd
.44 = logd

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! :biggrin:
 
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The absolute magnitudes will stay the same. They are per definition the apparent magnitudes when the object is located at 10 parsecs. Use the formula to calculate the parallaxes for the sun and Sirius and then recalculate their apparent magnitudes when their positions are swopped.

Also the inverse of the stellar parallax (in seconds of arc - the required units for p in the formula) gives the distance to it in parsecs.
 
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Remember your laws of logs. [tex]a\log(b) = \log(b^a)[/tex]. Also the equation you are using will give the distance in parsecs so you will have to convert to lightyears.

For the second, what do you know about magnitudes and brightness?

Edit: Beaten to it I knew I shouldn't have made that coffee :wink:
 
What is somewhat confusing is that one sometimes sees the equation

[tex]M = m + 5 + 5\ \log(p)[/tex]

and at another time

[tex]M = m + 5- 5\ \log(d)[/tex]

this is due to the fact that the stellar parallax of a star and the distance to it in parsecs are related by

[tex]p = \frac{1}{d}[/tex]

I was referring to the first in my previous post while you seem to know the second.
 
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