Calculating Entropy Change in a System at Different Temperatures

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The problem involves calculating the change of entropy for a kilogram of water transitioning from 0°C to 100°C when in contact with a reservoir at 100°C. Participants are exploring the implications of entropy changes in both the water and the reservoir, as well as the overall system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the positive change of entropy for the water and the negative change for the reservoir, questioning the overall sum of entropy changes in an irreversible process. There are attempts to apply the integral form of the entropy equation and considerations of isothermal conditions.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved in determining the entropy changes. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in numerical conversions and have referenced previous problems to clarify concepts. Multiple interpretations of the entropy changes are being examined, particularly regarding the reservoir's behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the assumptions regarding the reservoir's temperature stability and the implications of irreversible processes. There is also mention of differing interpretations based on previous examples and the nature of heat flow in the context of the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

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Homework Statement


A kilogram of water at 0°C is put in contact with a reservoir at 100°C. When the water reaches 100°C, what is the change of entropy of the water, the reservoir, and the whole system?


Homework Equations


[tex]\Delta S = \int \frac{dQ}{T}[/tex].


The Attempt at a Solution



I realize that the change of entropy of the water is positive while the change of entropy of the tank must be negative. However the sum of the changes of entropy must be positive since it's an irreversible process.
However I don't reach this. What I did was, for the water : [tex]\Delta S =mc \int_{T_0}^{T_{100}} \frac{dT}{T}=1000g \cdot \frac{1 cal}{g K}\ln \left ( \frac{373}{273} \right )=74.66J/K[/tex].

Now the change of entropy of the tank : [tex]\Delta S = \frac{Q}{T}[/tex] since [tex]T[/tex] is constant.
[tex]Q=-mc100K \Rightarrow \Delta S=-1120.64J/K[/tex].

Sidenote : I considered 1cal=4.18 J.

Where did I go wrong?
 
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In isothermal condition ΔS = 0.
There is no change in the temperature of the reservoir. So ΔS = ...?
 
In isothermal condition ΔS = 0.
There is no change in the temperature of the reservoir. So ΔS = ...?
 
rl.bhat said:
In isothermal condition ΔS = 0.
There is no change in the temperature of the reservoir. So ΔS = ...?
The change of entropy of the reservoir would be 0 but ... are you sure? I've the following solved problem : A reservoir at 300°C is put in contact with a reservoir at 0°C. 20kJ of heat flows irreversibly from the first to the second. Calculate the variation of entropy of the Universe.

Solution : Change of entropy of the first reservoir : [tex]-\frac{20kJ}{573K}=-0.03490kJ/K[/tex].
The for the second reservoir, [tex]\Delta S=0.07322kJ/K[/tex].
Adding them up, [tex]\Delta S _{\text{total}}=38.3J/K[/tex] which is greater than 0.
It's the solution of a test that 5 professors gave.
The temperature of the reservoirs doesn't change, they are assumed to be infinite, although it is not said in the question. (That's why I couldn't solve it!)
 
fluidistic said:
[tex]\Delta S =mc \int_{T_0}^{T_{100}} \frac{dT}{T}=1000g \cdot \frac{1 cal}{g K}\ln \left ( \frac{373}{273} \right )=74.66J/K[/tex].

Sidenote : I considered 1cal=4.18 J.

Where did I go wrong?

Look at your numbers. To convert from calories to Joules you divided by 4.18 instead of multiplying. Redo the calculation and you will get a number greater than 1120 J/K. All's well with the Second Law.
 
kuruman said:
Look at your numbers. To convert from calories to Joules you divided by 4.18 instead of multiplying. Redo the calculation and you will get a number greater than 1120 J/K. All's well with the Second Law.

Ah thanks... I don't have anything else to say.
 

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