Calculating Field Gradient for Magnetic Beam Deflection

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The discussion revolves around calculating the necessary magnetic field gradient to deflect a beam of silver atoms by 1 mm while traveling at 100 m/s. Participants express confusion about the relationship between force, potential energy, and the equilibrium of forces acting on the atoms. They suggest using projectile motion equations to determine the time and subsequent acceleration needed for the deflection. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the appropriate quantum numbers for silver atoms, particularly whether to consider orbital or spin contributions to the magnetic moment. The conversation concludes with a realization that the initial interpretation of the problem may have been incorrect, prompting further clarification.
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I feel really stupid that I can't solve this problem, but here goes...

The force on a magnetic moment \mu_z in a nonuniform magenetic field B_z is given by
F_z=\mu_z \frac{dB_z}{dz}
If a beam of silver atoms travels a horizontal distance of 1 m through such a field and each atom has a speed of 100 m/s, how strong must the field gradient dB_z / dz be in order to deflect the beam 1 mm?

I guess I am not really sure where to start. I would have used potential energy to solve this, and I don't know how forces are going to make sense because even with the force gradient it doesn't seem like I can come up how far the beam should deflect. The force of gravity and the force of the moment will be in equilibrium and will have to equal each other. So my thought would be that I could just say:

\frac{mg}{\mu_z}= \frac{dB_z}{dz}

That doesn't incorperate any of the information given though, so I must be missing something.

Another thing I am not really sure about is extracting the quantum numbers out of silver. n=4 so l=3,2,1,0 and m_l=3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3

Since
\mu_z = \frac{-e}{2m_e} L_z = \frac{-e \hbar}{2m_e}m_l

Which value of m_l would I use?
 
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Mindscrape said:
I feel really stupid that I can't solve this problem, but here goes...

The force on a magnetic moment \mu_z in a nonuniform magenetic field B_z is given by
F_z=\mu_z \frac{dB_z}{dz}
If a beam of silver atoms travels a horizontal distance of 1 m through such a field and each atom has a speed of 100 m/s, how strong must the field gradient dB_z / dz be in order to deflect the beam 1 mm?

I guess I am not really sure where to start. I would have used potential energy to solve this, and I don't know how forces are going to make sense because even with the force gradient it doesn't seem like I can come up how far the beam should deflect. The force of gravity and the force of the moment will be in equilibrium
If that was the case, there would be no deflection!

I am not completely sure, but it seems to me that here the force of gravity is probably completely negligible.

either way, what you do is to basically use the high school equations of projectile motion. Alonx x, you simply have x = v_{xi} t to find the time. Then go along y and use y= {1 \over 2} a_y t^2 to find the acceleration. Plugging this in F=ma you find the force.

and will have to equal each other. So my thought would be that I could just say:

\frac{mg}{\mu_z}= \frac{dB_z}{dz}

That doesn't incorperate any of the information given though, so I must be missing something.

Another thing I am not really sure about is extracting the quantum numbers out of silver. n=4 so l=3,2,1,0 and m_l=3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3

Since
\mu_z = \frac{-e}{2m_e} L_z = \frac{-e \hbar}{2m_e}m_l

Which value of m_l would I use?

I thought that in that situation, the silver atoms had no orbital excitation (l=0). And that it was really the spin that was providing the dipole moment, so that in that case m_s = 1/2. But don't take my word for it :wink:

Hope this helps

Patrick
 
Ahh, okay, I think I misinterpreted the problem. Both responses were helpful, thank you.
 
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