Calculating Field Gradient for Magnetic Beam Deflection

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The discussion revolves around calculating the field gradient necessary for deflecting a beam of silver atoms in a nonuniform magnetic field. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly in relating forces and potential energy to the deflection of the beam.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the force on a magnetic moment and the field gradient, questioning how to incorporate given parameters like speed and distance into their calculations. There is also discussion about the relevance of gravitational forces and the role of quantum numbers in determining the magnetic moment of silver atoms.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of projectile motion equations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or interpretation of the problem.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the significance of gravitational forces in the context of the problem, as well as the extraction of quantum numbers from silver atoms, which may affect the calculation of the magnetic moment.

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I feel really stupid that I can't solve this problem, but here goes...

The force on a magnetic moment [tex]\mu_z[/tex] in a nonuniform magenetic field [tex]B_z[/tex] is given by
[tex]F_z=\mu_z \frac{dB_z}{dz}[/tex]
If a beam of silver atoms travels a horizontal distance of 1 m through such a field and each atom has a speed of 100 m/s, how strong must the field gradient [tex]dB_z / dz[/tex] be in order to deflect the beam 1 mm?

I guess I am not really sure where to start. I would have used potential energy to solve this, and I don't know how forces are going to make sense because even with the force gradient it doesn't seem like I can come up how far the beam should deflect. The force of gravity and the force of the moment will be in equilibrium and will have to equal each other. So my thought would be that I could just say:

[tex]\frac{mg}{\mu_z}= \frac{dB_z}{dz}[/tex]

That doesn't incorperate any of the information given though, so I must be missing something.

Another thing I am not really sure about is extracting the quantum numbers out of silver. n=4 so l=3,2,1,0 and [tex]m_l[/tex]=3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3

Since
[tex]\mu_z = \frac{-e}{2m_e} L_z = \frac{-e \hbar}{2m_e}m_l[/tex]

Which value of [tex]m_l[/tex] would I use?
 
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Mindscrape said:
I feel really stupid that I can't solve this problem, but here goes...

The force on a magnetic moment [tex]\mu_z[/tex] in a nonuniform magenetic field [tex]B_z[/tex] is given by
[tex]F_z=\mu_z \frac{dB_z}{dz}[/tex]
If a beam of silver atoms travels a horizontal distance of 1 m through such a field and each atom has a speed of 100 m/s, how strong must the field gradient [tex]dB_z / dz[/tex] be in order to deflect the beam 1 mm?

I guess I am not really sure where to start. I would have used potential energy to solve this, and I don't know how forces are going to make sense because even with the force gradient it doesn't seem like I can come up how far the beam should deflect. The force of gravity and the force of the moment will be in equilibrium
If that was the case, there would be no deflection!

I am not completely sure, but it seems to me that here the force of gravity is probably completely negligible.

either way, what you do is to basically use the high school equations of projectile motion. Alonx x, you simply have [itex]x = v_{xi} t[/itex] to find the time. Then go along y and use [itex]y= {1 \over 2} a_y t^2[/itex] to find the acceleration. Plugging this in F=ma you find the force.

and will have to equal each other. So my thought would be that I could just say:

[tex]\frac{mg}{\mu_z}= \frac{dB_z}{dz}[/tex]

That doesn't incorperate any of the information given though, so I must be missing something.

Another thing I am not really sure about is extracting the quantum numbers out of silver. n=4 so l=3,2,1,0 and [tex]m_l[/tex]=3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3

Since
[tex]\mu_z = \frac{-e}{2m_e} L_z = \frac{-e \hbar}{2m_e}m_l[/tex]

Which value of [tex]m_l[/tex] would I use?

I thought that in that situation, the silver atoms had no orbital excitation (l=0). And that it was really the spin that was providing the dipole moment, so that in that case [itex]m_s = 1/2[/itex]. But don't take my word for it :wink:

Hope this helps

Patrick
 
Ahh, okay, I think I misinterpreted the problem. Both responses were helpful, thank you.
 

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